Right, we wouldn't want to clutter up this thread with common sense now would we?
Victor, you and I know what was posed in the Original Post, and we both know the bulk of your, Neo's, and dgork's discussions here are not accommodating, nor addressing, the requests posed by the CM, so your call of, "why do you have to muddy up our whining with discussions of game balance?!?"
Duh, because that's what this is all about, not your perceived notion that dueling is now singular and linear in scope, which btw it isn't, but all my Inno meta info can't be shared (already asked, sorry), so you're stuck with speculations or actually making comparative tests (like I did) and putting it in a spreadsheet for accurate comparisons. Maybe you'll see a "pattern," and then maybe you could come back to this thread and share your results.
Meh as usual your not listening, I never once said it was singular for the regular average dueller. I stated quite simply there is one simple superior build only now... you want to win the majority of your duels you go aim, dodge... you want to win nearly all your duels vs everything else but the same build you go shoot aim dodge. No mystery no dex dodge aim killer build to combat it ... nothing... yknow id love there to be but there isnt.
Your tests as youve said yourself are NPC based, they mean nothing as they arnt how people build in the first place anyway ... no person ive ever seen has 570 vigor or 480 toughness with 3 aim ... total waste of energy and inconclusive as they only account for random generated NPC NOT real people skilled toons... totally different I assure you.
Ill give you a taste of things to come about the real world lvl 100 + dueling when you are all a similar build. below are 1 week of dueling
No hit
Total health points
- 190 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel gains 496 experience points. natzgr did not carry any cash
Total health points
- 392 HP
Total health points
- 328 HP
Judge R Bean wins the duel, gains 378 experience points and steals $285 from Victor Kruger.
No hit
Total health points
- 271 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel and gains 622 experience points. Judge R Bean did not carry any cash
No hit
Total health points
- 750 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel and gains 622 experience points. Judge R Bean
Total health points
- 79 HP
Total health points
- 203 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel and gains 615 experience points. natzgr did not carry any cash
Total health points
- 71 HP
No hit
natzgr wins the duel and gains 354 experience points. Victor Kruger did not carry any cash
No hit
Total health points
- 391 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel, gains 631 experience points and steals $17 from Judge R Bean.
Total health points
- 118 HP
No hit
natzgr wins the duel, gains 361 experience points and steals $9 from Victor Kruger.
Total health points
- 108 HP
Total health points
- 267 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel, gains 603 experience points and steals $3 from natzgr.
Total health points
- 193 HP
Total health points
- 193 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel and gains 654 experience points. natzgr did not carry any cash
Total health points
- 352 HP
Total health points
- 212 HP
KIFT wins the duel and gains 643 experience points. Victor Kruger did not carry any cash
Total health points
- 76 HP
Total health points
- 253 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel, gains 616 experience points and steals $81 from natzgr.
No hit
No hit
natzgr wins the duel, gains 332 experience points and steals $183 from Victor Kruger.
Total health points
- 58 HP
No hit
natzgr wins the duel, gains 313 experience points and steals $102 from Victor Kruger.
Total health points
- 34 HP
No hit
natzgr wins the duel, gains 292 experience points and steals $68 from Victor Kruger.
Total health points
- 181 HP
Total health points
- 497 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel and gains 238 experience points. Swiss did not carry any cash
No hit
Total health points
- 592 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel and gains 605 experience points. Judge R Bean did not carry any cash
otal health points
- 112 HP
Total health points
- 221 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel and gains 594 experience points. Judge R Bean
Total health points
- 98 HP
No hit
natzgr wins the duel, gains 374 experience points and steals $16 from Victor Kruger.
No hit
Total health points
- 373 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel and gains 597 experience points. Judge R Bean did not carry any cash
Total health points
- 478 HP
Total health points
- 346 HP
Bill Hastings wins the duel, gains 479 experience points and steals $10 from Victor Kruger.
Total health points
- 39 HP
No hit
natzgr wins the duel, gains 328 experience points and steals $4 from Victor Kruger.
Total health points
- 68 HP
Total health points
- 234 HP
Victor Kruger wins the duel and gains 667 experience points. natzgr did not carry any cash
And thats not with shooters all are melee sitting there on the same spot with the same style builds slapping away at each other over a few days, most of us are lvl 120... ITS MIND NUMBING, i dont even care anymore about anything but tweak the stance maybe from time to time or just leave it alone ... its random anyway with everyone having so much dodge and aim ...
There is no Good dueling in that lot of reports only good guessing and good random luck by the server on your dodge or aim value. Thats it, no mystery no better kit, no better build, no strategy, pathetic
Theres a pattern there alright and its this, Dodge and aim are random value skills when it comes down to it we all know that, over a certain amount it just becomes random luck dueling.
We may as well be sitting there with pillows, you think thats active player winning or nugget enticing for inno ?
Look at it another way, Forts became IMO ruined by a simple dominating factor HP, that is what is going to and already happening to dueling. Hate its that way but it is.
Im not saying everyone will change to this build as theres other factors in this game like forts & questing etc but I am saying 90% of people who play for the dueling will be forced to even if they dont like it if they wish to duel and not get pawned.
So you have the best duellers all running around testing their luck vs each other ?? maybe the sleepy set can give you a serious luck advantage
Why cant you just go hmmmmmm yknow maybe we should take this a bit more seriously due to the fact that a lot of prolific duelers are saying & finding the same thing instead of just dismissing us as rambling fools. Why is it in the players that always float to the top in dueling can see it yet most of the rest cannot ?
Currently Talking and comparing with DraGonfly re this uber build on dex and hes trying the only thing I havnt as yet ... Insane 350 + app + very high 200 + dodge vs the dex build... results ? 1 win out of 6 duels ... the win was in attack and all other duels failed....
I'll continue posting findings if you like with all my dex shooters on all worlds ..... I have 0 app 0 tactics and cream the pants off of everyone but another mirror image build 90% of the time with 10% being bad guessing on stance and probably low random value given to my dodge .. so what, ill hit them again and the next time i cream them no worries.
I couldnt give a crap about how the average dueling players are finding it. I do give a crap that the one thing left in the game I still enjoyed has been ruined and thats the competitiveness between the top duelers, in a way its brought us all closer together, we chat more but theres no admiration as to someone's build being better or whos the better dueler now, we all know its just about luck.
I accept btw i am talking about high level dueling only as thats what i am testing.
Heres something else that Inno have not considered... No dueler will ever need to use nuggets no soldier bonus needs to be activated no class has a better chance dueling ... its all the same, well done inno all classes can duel with the same abilty.... DEX Dodge Aim NO PREMIUM required ever again if all you wish to enjoy are duels.
Thanks Inno you just gave us all a free game for ever more, no need to spend a dime ever again. Noobs just killed the golden goose for soldiers having to use prem ( i have for the past 2 years ) becuase its too good a bonus to ignore. I will now, stuff forts its only for the dueling i used nuggets for in the first place anyway.
Let me know if you wish me to furnish you or the Inno team with my dex dodge shooter results form other worlds i think i got about 100 pages worth already.