Fort Balancing Strategist Mods why do we have 5 now?

[the spoon]

I just saw the list of active admins of our server. Could someone explain to me why from one position of a fort battle specialist, it suddenly became five?
Is there a thread I can read about the work these guys have done?
or does it just take 5 people to change the "participant numbers" in fort battles?

 

[Syntex]

Hi there!
We opened a few months ago the possibility to join our team as a FF Strategist. We believe that more people can come up with better solutions. You can read more about this initiative here: Reacting to your feedback: Action points for Fort Balancing | Join our Fort Balancing Team!

 

[Oddersfield]

I just saw the list of active admins of our server. Could someone explain to me why from one position of a fort battle specialist, it suddenly became five?
Is there a thread I can read about the work these guys have done?
or does it just take 5 people to change the "participant numbers" in fort battles?

That was going to be my next question on a separate thread but you beat me to it

 

[RaiderRt]

Long explanation as to what they do.

First, they come up with rules and ask people what they think like here: https://forum.the-west.net/index.ph...-community-rule-on-abusive-fort-fights.60813/

then, when survey actually says it was 50/50 they implemented these without any announcement or anything similar. Yes, you read it right, these rules even though survey said are clearly not what everyone wants, even though it hasn't been said that you have to follow them they're enforced. How do I know? I'll tell you later.

Also, they have full Syntex support. When I told one of these fort balancing strategists that I'll be reporting him to Syntex for obvious power abuse and enforcing non existing rules I was pretty much told he doesn't care because "I have Syntex support in what I'm doing". So apparently, you can ask, you can complain, you can show them what real rules are and what the surveys say but they won't care.

So how do I know all of this? Simple. It is FORBIDDEN for me to dig in Colorado. Yes amigos and senoritas you read it right, ACCORDING TO THESE NON EXISTING RULES THAT SOME MADE UP WHILE THEY WERE BORED I CANNOT DIG IN COLORADO. What's the reason behind it you ask? Well there is a made up rule saying that if there's a long existing pattern of digs (one side digs on even second on odd days) IT IS FORBIDDEN THAT A NEUTRAL LIKE ME ATTACKS ANY FORT IN TIME WHICH COULD AFFECT OTHER ATTACKS (in other words, I cannot attack forts because maybe someone else would want to and since they are the 2 big alliances they do it more often obviously).

TLDR how do these 5 people work
Make up rules in your mind -> ask people -> they deny they want changes -> you implement these rules but only in your head -> then you enfore these rules on players without letting them now -> forbid neutrals from digging -> be happy that people like JWillow quit the game because they're tired of having to fight you -> don't be worried about anything because you have Syntex support

 

[RaiderRt]

Long explanation as to what they do.

First, they come up with rules and ask people what they think like here: https://forum.the-west.net/index.ph...-community-rule-on-abusive-fort-fights.60813/

then, when survey actually says it was 50/50 they implemented these without any announcement or anything similar. Yes, you read it right, these rules even though survey said are clearly not what everyone wants, even though it hasn't been said that you have to follow them they're enforced. How do I know? I'll tell you later.

Also, they have full Syntex support. When I told one of these fort balancing strategists that I'll be reporting him to Syntex for obvious power abuse and enforcing non existing rules I was pretty much told he doesn't care because "I have Syntex support in what I'm doing". So apparently, you can ask, you can complain, you can show them what real rules are and what the surveys say but they won't care.

So how do I know all of this? Simple. It is FORBIDDEN for me to dig in Colorado. Yes amigos and senoritas you read it right, ACCORDING TO THESE NON EXISTING RULES THAT SOME MADE UP WHILE THEY WERE BORED I CANNOT DIG IN COLORADO. What's the reason behind it you ask? Well there is a made up rule saying that if there's a long existing pattern of digs (one side digs on even second on odd days) IT IS FORBIDDEN THAT A NEUTRAL LIKE ME ATTACKS ANY FORT IN TIME WHICH COULD AFFECT OTHER ATTACKS (in other words, I cannot attack forts because maybe someone else would want to and since they are the 2 big alliances they do it more often obviously).

TLDR how do these 5 people work
Make up rules in your mind -> ask people -> they deny they want changes -> you implement these rules but only in your head -> then you enfore these rules on players without letting them now -> forbid neutrals from digging -> be happy that people like JWillow quit the game because they're tired of having to fight you -> don't be worried about anything because you have Syntex support

Just to clarify because someone asked me to do so and I can't edit my post. JWillow didn't actually quit the game and she wasn't against you, but you guys did nothing to help her in her fight against bad people becuase you were busy focusing on... I don't even know what because nothing has been done for the past few months since she supported you and needed your help

 

[martoru]

I just saw the list of active admins of our server. Could someone explain to me why from one position of a fort battle specialist, it suddenly became five?
Is there a thread I can read about the work these guys have done?
or does it just take 5 people to change the "participant numbers" in fort battles?

the answer may be: syntex dont like to drink his morning cofee alone

 

[martoru]

the answer may be: syntex dont like to drink his morning cofee alone

probably that also a reason for existing events managers with no events (check beta forum to see diference)
and o lot of in game suporters that no one see them (except iulian who is present here on forum)

 

[the spoon]

This game is being killed not from players leaving, not from the game's fault but simply because of people that are in the team who are wannabe gods

I could agree with the rest , but not with this one.
Yes, maybe the admins/modarators/CM were wrong in some places and either gave the wrong penalties or upset some players so they quit, but it's certainly not their fault if the worlds are empty.
We all know that worlds are destroyed by players. They are the ones who put words to other players and destroy any effort made to make the world better.

 

[the spoon]

@Syntex

I am sorry. but again i don't see why we need so many fort battle mods. This discussion can be done by players & and 1 mod together. But i guess you know more than me.

• Creating some general information and policies about Fort Battle Rebalancing and what the aim of the Fort Balancing Team will be. This will be worked out together with the new team members.

I am not sure what else you can do when you have already tried every single setting that the game provides, but i hope that you have something in your mind that includes 5 mods on it

 

[Syntex]

Long explanation as to what they do.

First, they come up with rules and ask people what they think like here: https://forum.the-west.net/index.ph...-community-rule-on-abusive-fort-fights.60813/

then, when survey actually says it was 50/50 they implemented these without any announcement or anything similar. Yes, you read it right, these rules even though survey said are clearly not what everyone wants, even though it hasn't been said that you have to follow them they're enforced. How do I know? I'll tell you later.

Also, they have full Syntex support. When I told one of these fort balancing strategists that I'll be reporting him to Syntex for obvious power abuse and enforcing non existing rules I was pretty much told he doesn't care because "I have Syntex support in what I'm doing". So apparently, you can ask, you can complain, you can show them what real rules are and what the surveys say but they won't care.

So how do I know all of this? Simple. It is FORBIDDEN for me to dig in Colorado. Yes amigos and senoritas you read it right, ACCORDING TO THESE NON EXISTING RULES THAT SOME MADE UP WHILE THEY WERE BORED I CANNOT DIG IN COLORADO. What's the reason behind it you ask? Well there is a made up rule saying that if there's a long existing pattern of digs (one side digs on even second on odd days) IT IS FORBIDDEN THAT A NEUTRAL LIKE ME ATTACKS ANY FORT IN TIME WHICH COULD AFFECT OTHER ATTACKS (in other words, I cannot attack forts because maybe someone else would want to and since they are the 2 big alliances they do it more often obviously).

TLDR how do these 5 people work
Make up rules in your mind -> ask people -> they deny they want changes -> you implement these rules but only in your head -> then you enfore these rules on players without letting them now -> forbid neutrals from digging -> be happy that people like JWillow quit the game because they're tired of having to fight you -> don't be worried about anything because you have Syntex support

The West Team can enforce and apply internal policies, anytime when was necessary, we always have done the necessary steps. You can find here the current rules: Policies for Spam Fort Battles - this is in fact a policy that was implemented on all markets, based on our suggestion and careful evaluation. This is not a made up rule, it is an implemented policy that was announced in all possible ways to inform you about them.

While I understand your frustration, I am sure there is an explanation for what happened. First of all, you should contact me directly if you feel like something should be changed or you were "restricted/punished" without a reason. Of course, the in-game chat in no form represents a customer service platform, so in order to receive support you have to contact us through the support system.

 

[Syntex]

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@Syntex

I am sorry. but again i don't see why we need so many fort battle mods. This discussion can be done by players & and 1 mod together. But i guess you know more than me.

• Creating some general information and policies about Fort Battle Rebalancing and what the aim of the Fort Balancing Team will be. This will be worked out together with the new team members.

I am not sure what else you can do when you have already tried every single setting that the game provides, but i hope that you have something in your mind that includes 5 mods on it

There are more people, so we can have more opinions. In the past Goober was accused that he makes everything up on his own, we tried to bring more diverse players to the team.

Regarding the information which I promised, is still in progress, hopefully we can publish it soon. As the summer holiday season ends soon, hopefully, we can focus on this more in the future.

 

[Syntex]

probably that also a reason for existing events managers with no events (check beta forum to see diference)
and o lot of in game suporters that no one see them (except iulian who is present here on forum)

We are sorry for the less amount of events than you were used to, the explanation is that some of our event managers didn't have that much time to focus on planning event and therefore have left, and new have just recently joined. We will continue with more contest and events from next week, so stay tuned!

 

[Oddersfield]

@ Syntex

The link you referenced in your initial response is dated 2 March 2023. It is now nearly 6 months later! The majority of the actions listed were discontinuances of prior policies and a re-inforcement of two existing policies - so really they were irrelevant to the posting back then, never mind now. That leaves two actions to consider:

1. Create understandable policies for Spam Fort Battles: The good news is that policies have been created - some would argue with the 'understandable' part of the exercise though!

2. Create some general information and policies about Fort Battle Rebalancing and what the aim of the Fort Balancing Team will be: This, to me, is the essence of what this thread was created for but the question asked still remains unanswered. After approx. 6 months, when will the purpose of the team actually be disclosed? Referencing something that is out-of-date and doesn't provide any clarity is disingenuous. Inno has a track-record of being evasive in their responses (generally along the lines, "The rules are the rules except when we decide otherwise.") This just appears to be more of the same.

@RaiderRt

I feel for you! Colorado is/was a cartel of strong alliances that frowned on any challenge to the rules they declared for whatever reason. Paradoxically, that approach was what allowed it to defy the problems afflicting most other worlds for so long so I am straddling the fence on this one. Not so sure that Colorado is as healthy as it once was.

 

[RaiderRt]

The West Team can enforce and apply internal policies, anytime when was necessary, we always have done the necessary steps. You can find here the current rules: Policies for Spam Fort Battles - this is in fact a policy that was implemented on all markets, based on our suggestion and careful evaluation. This is not a made up rule, it is an implemented policy that was announced in all possible ways to inform you about them.

While I understand your frustration, I am sure there is an explanation for what happened. First of all, you should contact me directly if you feel like something should be changed or you were "restricted/punished" without a reason. Of course, the in-game chat in no form represents a customer service platform, so in order to receive support you have to contact us through the support system.

First of all I linked the topic I was talking about. It's a SURVEY on a DRAFT of rules but apparently they are already implemented without any announcement. Not only that, there are additional rules that aren't written neither in the topic you linked nor the topic I linked and they're still being enforced. You are talking about me digging AFTER any of the big alliances dig, I was told I can't dig EVEN BEFORE these alliances attack because it could affect their dig and prevent them from digging in an ESTABLISHED PATTERN. This is what I faced in Colorado and was told by these fort battle people so apparently that's how it is unless they lied to me and threatened to punish me without any way to back that up.

When it comes to second part I'm sorry but contacting you directly loses all sense when I'm literally told by these people that they aren't afraid of me contacting you because you fully support them. What's the point of contacting you then? You can do whatever you want because Innogames mails aren't even read and fort balancing strategists are fully supported by you so it's obvious that noone here is going to face any consequences for this obvious and constant power abuse.

 

[Beefmeister]

since someone mentioned event managers, please, just give the event managers their nuggets as long as you don't ever do any speed worlds again

 

[ScarletKisses]

There are more people, so we can have more opinions. In the past Goober was accused that he makes everything up on his own, we tried to bring more diverse players to the team.

Regarding the information which I promised, is still in progress, hopefully we can publish it soon. As the summer holiday season ends soon, hopefully, we can focus on this more in the future.

But all you did was add more of his friends to mod list those who all think alike in game, all seems waste of time tbh I havent seen anything thats actually made more players join the Fort Fights

 

[Syntex]

First of all I linked the topic I was talking about. It's a SURVEY on a DRAFT of rules but apparently they are already implemented without any announcement. Not only that, there are additional rules that aren't written neither in the topic you linked nor the topic I linked and they're still being enforced. You are talking about me digging AFTER any of the big alliances dig, I was told I can't dig EVEN BEFORE these alliances attack because it could affect their dig and prevent them from digging in an ESTABLISHED PATTERN. This is what I faced in Colorado and was told by these fort battle people so apparently that's how it is unless they lied to me and threatened to punish me without any way to back that up.

When it comes to second part I'm sorry but contacting you directly loses all sense when I'm literally told by these people that they aren't afraid of me contacting you because you fully support them. What's the point of contacting you then? You can do whatever you want because Innogames mails aren't even read and fort balancing strategists are fully supported by you so it's obvious that noone here is going to face any consequences for this obvious and constant power abuse.

This is an announced policy, not a draft or survey: https://forum.the-west.net/index.php?threads/policies-for-spam-fort-battles.61409/

But all you did was add more of his friends to mod list those who all think alike in game, all seems waste of time tbh I havent seen anything thats actually made more players join the Fort Fights

The position was announced in the game, you had the same possibility to apply as everyone else.

 

[RaiderRt]

This is an announced policy, not a draft or survey: https://forum.the-west.net/index.php?threads/policies-for-spam-fort-battles.61409/


The position was announced in the game, you had the same possibility to apply as everyone else.

Look at the link I provided then look at the link you provided. These rules are NOT the same.

Also whatever why do I even care. This is exactly why people are upset. I send a link and you don't even bother reading my message nor the linked topic and you instantly reply by sending rules regarding something else. This is my last response as it's obvious noone here cares about peoples feedback nor complaints. Whatever the only good part about this game is that only 2 people are paid here (Syntex and nielsen) the rest just wastes their time.

 

[Syntex]

It's a SURVEY on a DRAFT of rules but apparently they are already implemented without any announcement.

Yes, I checked your link, and as you said it was a survey. And I linked you the policies which were actually announced and enforced. You are not right, as they were announced both on the main page, interstitials and the forum.

 

[RaiderRt]

Yes, I checked your link, and as you said it was a survey. And I linked you the policies which were actually announced and enforced. You are not right, as they were announced both on the main page, interstitials and the forum.

"if you obstruct the established pattern of digs at ~06:45 on consecutive days, then your battle will be subject to being the one deemed a violation".

Which one of your rules would I break by digging at 6:45am? Also which rules states anything about established patterns? Or was this message a try to enforce non existing rules?