Fort Balancing Strategist Mods why do we have 5 now?

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Harriet Oleson

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About what happened in Kansas, actually it wasn't only a matter of multi digging but also of cheating : almost all the former town members of the main multi digger's town were banned, as well as a lot of other toons, all similar with each others. (Nobody has to believe me on words, you can just look at the reports of 29 Jul 7:30 pm and 5 Aug 11:00 pm : if you check the profiles you can see most of their former town members got banned as well as lots of their "similar friends" from other towns).
There were also lots of others things but well, I won't enter into details (too long to explain, and mainly based on personal observations not necessarily easily/publicly checkable anymore).

Actually, I'm part of the players who think even small towns/alliances should have the right to try their luck whatever big alliances tell, but in Kansas it wasn't at all only a matter of a small town which wanted to play the game. And in all of that, from what I know the moderation isn't allowed to talk about cheating cases. So I'm not 100% sure the FF team took into account the cheating background of all of this, but in my opinion they should have and I hope they did : I think that's even mainly what should have motivated the new restrictions, and not only the battles themselves.

I'm precising all of this because when we only look at the frequency of battles, we may indeed wonder if the new restrictions were really needed, but the frequency of the battles is only a part of the story. In my opinion these restrictions were needed, and I'm saying this while the recent battles were at the advantage of my alliance : my alliance lost 5 forts before the multi digging, and continued to lose forts when the multi digging ended. At least with the multi dig, we weren't losing any, so it had its advantages lol. But once again : this time, there were cheating and trolling, difficult to talk in favor of these kind of battles ...

In the end, I can't tell for Colorado or other worlds cause I only play in Kansas. But if I had to take as example what happened in Kansas, I can tell what's being told in public isn't always the whole story : difficult to have an opinion about the team's actions when we don't know the whole thing.
 

Clever Hans

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@Harriet Oleson: Really? As far I can see, most of those from independent towns that were digging are still not banned. And digging 1-2 fights a day when there is otherwise no daily fight is a not a multi battle. How convinient to have a "FF expert" to push your agenda and micromanage the game for others in a way to make it easier for big 2 alliances to dominate the dead FF scene on Kansas.

@JWillow How do you think that rewards for Awesomia event fights are added to your inventory? It requires admin tools to which Goober has an access on the worlds he actively plays. Is it via John or Goober doesn't really matter. He can also refeer for punishments so how does it make him any different from any other mod? And thanks for paying attention to what I do ingame, if you have some other suggestions besides church building on a dead world, I'm willing to listen. If not, I'm gonna play the game with my account as I please until migrations open.
 

sanidh

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Doesn't matter who fight it is really, ever since defense became strong, opposition even helped recruit for attack even if it wasn't theirs. Typically whispers were those who have time, it is to help all not just one side in the long run. As fuller attacks mean the battles have a chance to be better.

Also why oh why do you call Goober a mod, he is as far as I know a helper, access to only fort battle tools, far less than an actual mod. Mod have power to enforce all the rules, ie ban and punish players, which none of the fort battle strategists have such powers or they would be labeled as moderators. Don't fort battle strategist just deal with battles and put forward recommendations for players that need addressed only in the fort battle digging abuse.

Now will agree that a different fort battle strategist abuses his power on many occasions, but as soon as he was selected I knew it was a horrible choice, but I can't stand the CM that hired him so no surprise on the power hungry boot licker that came from that hiring process.

Maybe you specifically didn't want the position Goober started, but with out it, battles probably wouldn't even be a thing even on Colorado like they are now. As changing the sign up limits did help, for a year or two before inno even tried to fix or change anything. How many players stuck around that would have left waiting for inno to do anything? Giving attacks a chance at wins gave players a reason to dig, which even Colorado faltered in keeping daily battles going.

Also what is your obsession with Kansas, you think 2-5 players attacking 20+ actually benefits anyone besides defense? Unless you liked the non competitive battles for easy wins? So what if 11 days no battles, maybe that means there was no one available to lead, who needs leaderless battles anyway?

Anyway, seems strange to want battles to not have a chance, but maybe you want that part to go away completely so no one bothers your church building as that is about all you do anymore.

Its the same rabble rousers unfortunately willow, i think goober and his team have done a good job trying to moderate this game and keep it from the clutches of unruly elements who ran rampant for years. As i always say, this game needs good moderation for more than just "slander" (lmao), it needs some kind of structure in terms of FF setups etc which we are now getting, so the people can enjoy the game without worrying about few elements ruining it for 100's of players, specially if they slither their way into positions of power, if you look closely the ones crying are mostly the ones who caused the most amount of damage to this game, im glad FF's are no more about pandering to people's ego's.

PS. it is surprising that some people would prefer 2-5 attacking on one side and are opposing goober's attempts to make battle balances, even if he is whispering, which i think is such a thankless job and he needs to be commended for.

This is a tale of two peoples, one who play the game and one who love to play the forums, those who cant spoil the game anymore can be seen running rampant here nowdays.
 

JWillow

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@JWillow How do you think that rewards for Awesomia event fights are added to your inventory? It requires admin tools to which Goober has an access on the worlds he actively plays. Is it via John or Goober doesn't really matter. He can also refeer for punishments so how does it make him any different from any other mod? And thanks for paying attention to what I do ingame, if you have some other suggestions besides church building on a dead world, I'm willing to listen. If not, I'm gonna play the game with my account as I please until migrations open.
Okay try this from another direction because you seem stuck. He may have limited access to admin tools needed to take care of fort battle related stuff. That doesn't mean he has full access/permission to use all admin tools, also more specifically his job description is very different than that of a moderator.

As for putting forth evidence for a punishment, it still remains the actual moderators choice. Probably if he goes so far as to give evidence then action will be taken, but most likely what kind of action is still the moderators preview.

Migrate where? Only migration is for one dead world to a slightly less dead one. Honestly more likely you build church more for rank than any hope of migration, because waiting on migration at this point is weird.
 

Clever Hans

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Okay try this from another direction because you seem stuck. He may have limited access to admin tools needed to take care of fort battle related stuff. That doesn't mean he has full access/permission to use all admin tools, also more specifically his job description is very different than that of a moderator.

As for putting forth evidence for a punishment, it still remains the actual moderators choice. Probably if he goes so far as to give evidence then action will be taken, but most likely what kind of action is still the moderators preview.
Battles worked just fine before this "FF expert" position was invented in 2021. When I signed up for this game and invested into my accounts, I didn´t register to have some self-proclaimed experts to micromanage every aspect of the game. And micromanaging is not a replacement for lack of the game development. Mind your own business and stop trying to dictate to other players to play the game as you wish.
 

1 Bad Wolf

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Battles worked just fine before this "FF expert" position was invented in 2021. When I signed up for this game and invested into my accounts, I didn´t register to have some self-proclaimed experts to micromanage every aspect of the game. Nor micromanaging is replacement for lack of game development.
agreed. Fort fighting was way better back in the day when i joined back in 2008-2010.
 

Annie-Bell

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I am so tired watching certain player's try to dictate how everyone else should play.. Worry about your own game not mine or anyone else's!!!

What stating is have no problem with people playing their game, as long as they do not infringe on rights of others to play their game.

As you are aware, i saw this same saloon/forum against anyone/everyone being done early on in vegas and even saw my and friends name, we didnt talk in vegas except ty for rank, and wtg nice hit, and ty for battle. Saw that game behind game was being forced onto vegas and so we decided to leave that group to it and focused on oher worlds (aka stay in our own corner, my views not pushed just left to go find healthier envviroments to play).

In term of fort battle specialist, dangit just leave them be, they arent paid and if some help be added to prevent worlds from dying out in shocking 6 months .. let them try. Game is no where what it was even 5 years ago, let alone 10 years so what done back then is different then now.
 

JWillow

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Battles worked just fine before this "FF expert" position was invented in 2021. When I signed up for this game and invested into my accounts, I didn´t register to have some self-proclaimed experts to micromanage every aspect of the game. And micromanaging is not a replacement for lack of the game development. Mind your own business and stop trying to dictate to other players to play the game as you wish.
You truly believe fort battles were fine after defense was given a boost and then cortina was added, fort battles that lasted 20-30 rounds where the attackers were fish in a barrel, nothing could touch defense. Maybe lost 1-3 offline defense, but every single attackers dead long before round 50, this is battles working just fine for you?

Plus what are they dictating anyway? That players who dig should make efforts to bring fighters? That spamming fake battles to annoy others not having anything to do with actual battles should be allowed, battles the diggers didn't even come online to be at?


agreed. Fort fighting was way better back in the day when i joined back in 2008-2010.
Well sure fort battles probably were in some ways better before all the sets, but never going to be that way again. Unless inno makes the newest world, a world with no tombolas, ie only town shop and up shop clothes as options.
 

Clever Hans

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You truly believe fort battles were fine after defense was given a boost and then cortina was added, fort battles that lasted 20-30 rounds where the attackers were fish in a barrel, nothing could touch defense. Maybe lost 1-3 offline defense, but every single attackers dead long before round 50, this is battles working just fine for you?
Yes, and? Do you play this game since 2020? That was not the first time that one of the sides (attack or defense) was OP, it goes in the cycles. Before Cortina, attack used to win 95% of FFs, then it was defense, maybe in 2 months will be attack again, wth knows. The point is, these changes were done by developers, not by self proclaimed experts that artificially micromanage the game mode on worlds where they actively play. Also, find me an example of other The West servers besides .net where something like "FF expert" exists. I´m sure it will take you some time.
 

1 Bad Wolf

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Yes, and? Do you play this game since 2020? That was not the first time that one of the sides (attack or defense) was OP, it goes in the cycles. Before Cortina, attack used to win 95% of FFs, then it was defense, maybe in 2 months will be attack again, wth knows. The point is, these changes were done by developers, not by self proclaimed experts that artificially micromanage the game mode on worlds where they actively play. Also, find me an example of other The West servers besides .net where something like "FF expert" exists. I´m sure it will take you some time.
Remember back in the day when the Golden rifle kicked tail with that awesome sector bonus? Put like 5 in one sector and it rocked. I came back and saw the nerfed the crap out of it.
 

Annie-Bell

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Yes, and? Do you play this game since 2020? That was not the first time that one of the sides (attack or defense) was OP, it goes in the cycles. Before Cortina, attack used to win 95% of FFs, then it was defense, maybe in 2 months will be attack again, wth knows. The point is, these changes were done by developers, not by self proclaimed experts that artificially micromanage the game mode on worlds where they actively play. Also, find me an example of other The West servers besides .net where something like "FF expert" exists. I´m sure it will take you some time.
It wil take some time, as there are few few games like this where such group activity as ff where all players in one screen together. It is what made game unique. As for what done 10 years ago is not necessarily what needed now.
 

Annie-Bell

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oops sorry misread, thought said find game other then the-west, not .. find other non .en ... ignore that part pls! :)
 

JWillow

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Yes, and? Do you play this game since 2020? That was not the first time that one of the sides (attack or defense) was OP, it goes in the cycles. Before Cortina, attack used to win 95% of FFs, then it was defense, maybe in 2 months will be attack again, wth knows. The point is, these changes were done by developers, not by self proclaimed experts that artificially micromanage the game mode on worlds where they actively play. Also, find me an example of other The West servers besides .net where something like "FF expert" exists. I´m sure it will take you some time.
Ah, okay you prefer in times where one side always has the upper hand, okay. So you at the core do not like equal chances to begin, you prefer certainty whichever from it takes at a given time.

Yes I do remember the bail in defense to see if the attackers could be stopped, with it being failure most of the time. Though do also remember the battles even when attacks were dominating lasting longer, then when cortina came out.

But that matters not, if you prefer one side to have the power, than you indeed play a very different game. I guess I like a little mystery sometimes, not a certainty. Where a lucky ghoster holds for long enough or a few good rounds of crits even the field, but that is not the game you want to play I see.

As for the other examples, the only other language server I play, fort battles don't exist, just the awesomia ones, that have full defenses. Do you even have examples of a healthy fort battle scene to give example ,you are the one who plays with data. Please do show me an untouched world with full mediums/larges that show that not one side winning all the time, such as all defense wins or all attack wins. I think there is some type of fort battle site, maybe you could send me a link of this prefect untouched place.
 

Annie-Bell

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(made my post with my thoughts and concerns and agreed with a comment made, recognize some dont like, and will go on attack, glad to have expressed wha have seen, and will continue to read the continued on topic comments as seen some make good points)
 

Victor Kruger

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I just saw the list of active admins of our server. Could someone explain to me why from one position of a fort battle specialist, it suddenly became five?
Is there a thread I can read about the work these guys have done?
or does it just take 5 people to change the "participant numbers" in fort battles?

Well in WW2 the US had just 5, 4 * generals commanding over 16 million troops ... today its 41 looking after 1.4 million... go figure..

When there were 30k + a world with 5 battles a day each .. + events n such there was just one Battle specialist/ Event mod. Today with less than 2k a world with barely 1 FF a day on some there are 5 .... beats me what they all do .. not much i know that.

People can conclude what they like ..... to me its says totally unnecessary & top heavy bureaucracy, at the very least.
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How many does it take to screw in a lightbulb ? answer 5 ..... 1 to hold it and another 4 to turn the person... :up:
 
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