Proposed Salery Formula

Discussion in 'Questions & Guides' started by Talamare, Nov 29, 2008.

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  1. Puli

    Puli Guest

    It is affecting the sallary because your 100% sallary changes with difficulty somehow. That a fact otherwise you will not be able to get such high sallaries for drilling oil ... That's the way of %. You should know it, it's only a question of interpretation (substitution). The base equation must be somewhere like I've wrtitten.

    Sallary_percent*hours*morale_before*f(diff,LP)

    where f(x,y) can ignore x when needed, but I highly doubt it, because through my observations it is affecting the sallary in a strong way. But I've not been able to do high end obs till now.

    I've only adjusted it for stealing horses, drilling oil (as you have mentioned here) and lower jobs. Also maybe the truth is somewhere else :).

    I know my equation would mean that burglary is better than Bounty hunting, but the difference is only 5 $ or so.


    Edit: Try to look at 100% sallaries from your written results. You will see that 100% is raising up with difficulty.
     
  2. Puli

    Puli Guest

    Still it's possible that I've just luckily taken results from jobs that are good for that equation :). I tried it on hunting grizzlies and it returned a bit higher prediction than it should. Maybe they just divided all jobs into categories which have their own 100% salaries. I don't know :D It seems too confusing to me now.
     
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  3. atothek

    atothek Guest

    how much money will i get from clearing the forest? with labor of 1 and doing it for the first time so with 100% motivation?
     
  4. angelaiah013

    angelaiah013 Well-Known Member

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    ({[(Salary percent) +[(Salary percent/100) * (Salary percent/2)]}*Hours)*(motivation BEFORE work/100)*[(labor points*0.002)+1)]*Random

    i dunno if it'll work...:unsure: i still have to try it on mah low level char.
     
  5. xPROBLEMx

    xPROBLEMx Guest

    Calculator

    Hello
    I'd like to join you to find out the exact formula.
    I recently made a calculator which can provide you some usefull informations about how many money/experience can you earn with a job with your current skills/motivation or how many points you can build in a construction.
    Here you can find the program and some info:

    http://sunwest.atw.hu/calc_eng.htm

    Experience and build formulas are OK I guess, but maybe salary is inaccurate.
    I was only able to test it with low (level 20) characters. Please test it with high numbers, and post here the results.
     
  6. Puli

    Puli Guest

    What would be good is maybe to create joint database for job results, because nobody can find out equation (only with high luck) without seeing enough results. You can't have too much characters and time to run enough tests at your own.
     
  7. xPROBLEMx

    xPROBLEMx Guest

    Yes but 1 or 2 incorrect numbers can screw the whole operation.
     
  8. Puli

    Puli Guest

    Actualy they can't because majority will show you the way. And I was trying to say that it would be great to copy paste (ctrl+a, ctrl+c, ctrl+v) the work result into some webpage also no human error can occur. The webpage will be accessible only by the trusted people who will not have any intention to sabotage the data :).
    And if you must login to put such data inside, we can add your login to your added data, so we can filter them if there is a suspicion for data manipulation :).
     
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  9. Talamare

    Talamare Well-Known Member

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    I got framework problems when I tried the Xp one but the money one seemed to work fine

    but its severely off, with 100% giving $40~

    Error

    System.FormatException: Input string was not in a correct format.
    at System.Number.StringToNumber(String str, NumberStyles options, NumberBuffer& number, NumberFormatInfo info, Boolean parseDecimal)
    at System.Number.ParseInt32(String s, NumberStyles style, NumberFormatInfo info)
    at System.Convert.ToInt32(String value)
    at TheWest_calc.MainForm.Button1Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
    at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
    at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
    at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
    at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
    at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
    at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
     
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  10. Talamare

    Talamare Well-Known Member

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    Opps I see my error

    Forgot to modify Motivation value
    However money is still too low at higher percentages
     
  11. xPROBLEMx

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    What formula are you using?

    To the calculator I made a new salary formula based on 20-30 job details but its far not enough to make a decent one.
     
  12. angelaiah013

    angelaiah013 Well-Known Member

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    i think te characters's level have e bigges influence on te equation...

    starting at greenhorn we could possibly find out te first extraction of salary....
    regasrdless of items hat add stats..
     
  13. Puli

    Puli Guest

    The problem with salary formula is, that it certainly is not very logical as there should be constant 100% :). But it isn't. Each time you compute 100% it's different for jobs with different salary %. That makes me thinking that 100% is dependent more on salary% than on some constant.
     
  14. Puli

    Puli Guest

    Character's level has nothing to do with salary. Only your LP has. But even that influence is very low.
     
  15. angelaiah013

    angelaiah013 Well-Known Member

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    te class i mean....it has something to do wit it....every class has its own weakness and strength on te jobs....
     
  16. Puli

    Puli Guest

    You mean premium, not class :). There is a premium that gives you 50% bonus to your salary.
     
  17. angelaiah013

    angelaiah013 Well-Known Member

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    class like adventurer have advantages on getting a money aside from bonuses on items...
    so are some duelers.. i dunno if the alloted percentages of the classes are all add up to te average salary of the jobs ...
     
  18. Talamare

    Talamare Well-Known Member

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    Was using the formula inside your program

    unless you uploaded a new version since last I posted


    From where I got the numbers from, from job reports


    Heres a set of job reports of silver mining, Higher LP is Higher on the list, Around 50 LP difference from top report to bottom report

    Motivation
    71%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 190

    Motivation
    76%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 209

    Motivation
    81%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 217

    Motivation
    82%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 186

    Motivation
    87%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 235


    89%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 244


    94%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 251


    73%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 196

    79%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 211

    84%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 230


    89%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 235

    94%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 311

    82%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 226

    87%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 323

    91%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 358


    69%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 216


    75%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 200

    80%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 218

    85%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 233

    89%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 219

    94%
    Duration 2 hours
    Wages $ 203
     
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  19. Puli

    Puli Guest

    Duelers have only bonus to % of money they can steal from their victim, not increase in salary. Duel is not a job, it's event I think.

    Adventurer has no such bonus you are describing here.
     
  20. xPROBLEMx

    xPROBLEMx Guest

    Well, my formula is worthless.

    I was wondering about if we download all the west files (*.html/*.js) maybe we can find the formula inside one of it's files.

    Edited:
    I guess i've found the 'soul' of the west, some part of it:

    "function(B,A){A=A[0]||1.618;return Math.pow(B,2)*((A+1)*B-A);},Bounce:function(D){var C;for(var B=0,A=1;
    1;B+=A,A/=2){if(D>=(7-4*B)/11){C=-Math.pow((11-6*B-11*D)/4,2)+A*A;break;}}return C;},Elastic:function(B,A){return Math.pow(2,10*--B)*Math.cos(20*B*Math.PI*(A[0]||1)/3);"

    It's just about the 1/100th of the whole file.
    If you need the whole thing, catch me on msn: zaki555666@mailbox.hu
     
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