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Do you believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, Freddy Kruger? If so, why? If not, why not?
Stop bashing Christianity...
Do you believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, Freddy Kruger? If so, why? If not, why not?
Stop bashing Christianity...
Do you believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, Freddy Kruger? If so, why? If not, why not?
Present some reasonable arguments and I for one shall listen.Yes Adelei! John and Hellstormm never listen
Oh yes, let's accept everything as a possibility just because we can't disprove it.I Dont Believe In Them, But I Dont Know For Sure That They Are Fake.
So Until Then I Will Not Condemn Them As A Lie.
And BTW, The Easter Bunny Is Totally Real.
Yes Adelei! John and Hellstormm never listen
Why is it not ok to do so?Fredigar, why is you think it's okay to believe in things without evidence, without supporting data, without even one iota of substantiation?
Once again, these things have all been created as fiction. Continuing to use them to make religion sound stupid, only ends up making you look stupid.Do you believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, Freddy Kruger? If so, why? If not, why not?
So, who wants to destroy the weak arguments in the post above?
Why do we feel the need to put down religion?
It isn´t that as much as it is discarding all kinds of superstition.
Religion is but one common form of silly superstition we´d be better off without.
Do you believe that when you go to sleep tonight you will wake up tomorrow morning? I bet you do, even without thinking it. Yet there is not a shred of evidence that you will wake up tomorrow morning.
In fact, science shows us that there will be a morning when you will not wake up. That is a 100% certainty.
Why do you love someone? There is no scientific explanation for it. Sure, there are chemicals in the brain that trigger some effects, but what causes it to trigger for your wife/husband/whatever, and not for the next person? These things do not have scientific proof. Yet we love and/or hate every day.
Faith (religion) is like that. Sure, some do it because that is what they have learned or because it seems fashionable. But for some it is a feeling they have, like the love you feel for someone. For some it is a belief, like you believe that you will wake up tomorrow morning.
Let those that want to follow a religion, do so (without it causing harm to others of course). In that same breath, let those that do not choose to follow religion, not follow religion.
If there is a god he/she/it will sort us out when we die. If not, neither side has lost anything.
My question to you: Why do you feel the need to put down religion? Why the need to hammer in the fact that it is ridiculous to believe in something without scientific proof? Who are you actually trying to convince?
Once again, these things have all been created as fiction. Continuing to use them to make religion sound stupid, only ends up making you look stupid.
Your attempt at flaimbaiting makes you the donkey.
To the mod(s): If the report post button was working I would have used it. Is this kind of posting allowed here?
God was a monkey, evolved into a human over millions of years, and then created us. Happy everyone?
Obviously you cannot. Insinuating that something is so is hardly proof that it is. Is that not exactly doing as the religious people you are fighting so hard to put down?So, who wants to destroy the weak arguments in the post above?
Why would we be better without it? Do you think that the absence of religion will reduce the number of extremists? Do you believe that the absence of religion will reduce the number of cult like organisations? Do you even believe that the absence of religion will reduce the frequency of wars? These would all be very naive.Why do we feel the need to put down religion?
It isn´t that as much as it is discarding all kinds of superstition.
Religion is but one common form of silly superstition we´d be better off without.
Given the absence of any religious guidelines or laws, would you willingly sit still while someone tries to kill you, or steal your things? I bet not. No sane person would. That is how we know that it is wrong.True, there would be a lot less wars without it, but people would have no consience. If there was no bible, would we know that killing was wrong?
Your whole attempt at logic and reason falls away with this statement. There is no way to have any reasonable discussion with a person as you.Why do you feel threatened by any disagreement with your religion?
Let's see, because it's essentially a lie? A personal lie, a group lie, but a lie. Faith is the removal of doubt about a personal lie, but that does not make the lie a truth. It's still a lie, maybe not falsehood, but a lie to oneself because there is nothing substantive, nothing supporting the stance.
You're confusing belief with logic, mathematical probability.Do you believe that when you go to sleep tonight you will wake up tomorrow morning? I bet you do, even without thinking it.
Science doesn't show we will not wake up one morning, evidence shows us that. Don't confuse logical examination of evidence with scientific research.In fact, science shows us that there will be a morning when you will not wake up. That is a 100% certainty.
Indeed, however with the average lifespan being around 75 years, that gives us about 26999 in 27000 chance we'll wake up each morning, and a far greater probability that you'll wake up on that particular morning based on your age and health.Yet there is not a shred of evidence that you will wake up tomorrow morning. The fact that it happened this morning and yesterday morning and every morning for the last 20 years does not mean it will happen tomorrow morning.
You answered your own question. The problem here is, you don't know enough of the science on this subject to discuss it effectively. So, instead, you fill in the blanks with belief. How about accepting that you simply do not know? Once you accept that you do not know, you can start researching the subject and learn of what it is that causes such responses.Why do you love someone? There is no scientific explanation for it. Sure, there are chemicals in the brain that trigger some effects, but what causes it to trigger for your wife/husband/whatever, and not for the next person? These things do not have scientific proof. Yet we love and/or hate every day.
Respectfully, part of the flaw in all your arguments is you're attempting to present your ignorance on particular topics as a validation for belief.Faith (religion) is like that. Sure, some do it because that is what they have learned or because it seems fashionable. But for some it is a feeling they have, like the love you feel for someone. For some it is a belief, like you believe that you will wake up tomorrow morning.
Really? So you are now claiming that the motivation for creating a religion somehow makes it not stupid?
I assume you have kids, or at least kids somewhere in the family. Do you promote the idea of santa clause and the tooth fairy to them? Why do you do that? Why do you lie to them?Let's see, because it's essentially a lie? A personal lie, a group lie, but a lie. Faith is the removal of doubt about a personal lie, but that does not make the lie a truth. It's still a lie, maybe not falsehood, but a lie to oneself because there is nothing substantive, nothing supporting the stance.
Yet people die prematurely, for no apparent reason or unexpected reasons, every day. And still you believe that you will be the one that will be the one waking up tomorrow.You're confusing belief with logic, mathematical probability.
Death is science. Every single cause of death has a scientific explanation. It has a scientific fact. Nothing to do with research.Science doesn't show we will not wake up one morning, evidence shows us that. Don't confuse logical examination of evidence with scientific research.
Averages, mathematical probabilities. Nothing concrete though.Indeed, however with the average lifespan being around 75 years, that gives us about 26999 in 27000 chance we'll wake up each morning, and a far greater probability that you'll wake up on that particular morning based on your age and health.
Do you know enough about everything scientific you take as fact?You answered your own question. The problem here is, you don't know enough of the science on this subject to discuss it effectively. So, instead, you fill in the blanks with belief. How about accepting that you simply do not know? Once you accept that you do not know, you can start researching the subject and learn of what it is that causes such responses.
With continually dropping respect, the flaw in your arguments is that you try to dodge the statements/questions with attempted clever word play. You base your statements on beliefs that is not 100% scientifically proven, even if it is mathematically probable, yet you discredit other's believes because it is not 100% scientifically proven. Smacks of hypocrisy.Respectfully, part of the flaw in all your arguments is you're attempting to present your ignorance on particular topics as a validation for belief.
Neither you nor I know the motivation for "creating" religion. But we all know the motivation for creating the idea of santa and the tooth fairy.Really? So you are now claiming that the motivation for creating a religion somehow makes it not stupid?
Even if it is a lie, is it a bad thing?
Yet people die prematurely, for no apparent reason or unexpected reasons, every day. And still you believe that you will be the one that will be the one waking up tomorrow.
And while we are on the topic of mathematical probability: Go and calculate the probability that everything in the universe just spawned out of nothing and evolved in such a precise way.
Mathematical probability does not give you any certainty. But you chose to believe it still.
Have you scientifically researched god? Found the proof that he does not exists?
How about accepting that you simply do not know if god exist or not.
And no, there is no scientific evidence that tells us why you like brunettes more than red heads. There is no scientific evidence that tells us why you feel more attracted to one of a set of twins than the other. What is known is that it is chemicals that cause those feelings, yet no knowledge of why those chemicals are produced for one person and not the next.
With continually dropping respect, the flaw in your arguments is that you try to dodge the statements/questions with attempted clever word play. You base your statements on beliefs that is not 100% scientifically proven, even if it is mathematically probable, yet you discredit other's believes because it is not 100% scientifically proven. Smacks of hypocrisy.
Neither you nor I know the motivation for "creating" religion. But we all know the motivation for creating the idea of santa and the tooth fairy.
/yawn.Obviously you cannot. Insinuating that something is so is hardly proof that it is. Is that not exactly doing as the religious people you are fighting so hard to put down?
That´s an impressive amount of assumptions in such a short paragraph.Why would we be better without it? Do you think that the absence of religion will reduce the number of extremists? Do you believe that the absence of religion will reduce the number of cult like organisations? Do you even believe that the absence of religion will reduce the frequency of wars? These would all be very naive.
How exactly will the world be a better place without religion.
some one sided rant that was not thought through properly but just tries to shift the blame onto a specific thing because the author has no clue
Can I get some indication on what your age is? Because you seem very young, with your naive outlook on life. That or you have led a very secluded life. Or maybe you are just trying to make sense and give reason to some believe you picked up while rebelling against the system or rebelling against your parents that most likely tried to give you a religious upbringing.
But whatever the reason is, your ideas are wrong, misguided and, like I have mentioned already, naive.
Extremism is a character trait of extremists. That sounds, duh logical, yet you do not seem to comprehend what it means. Extremists are extreme by their nature. Then they latch on to some cause to live out their extreme nature. Religion would be one of said causes. So is a love of nature, politics or even being a sports fan. Just about every facet of our world holds it's extremists. Some good, and some bad.
As for wars, I never said you said so. I asked. There is a huge difference. But I can see that you are catching on to the whole "do not assume" thing. Too bad you lack application. Spamming the words unfounded do not help your cause at all.
Religion causing wars is one of the reasons that gets raised a lot. It was even mentioned earlier in this thread or one of the other threads.
But like you said, religion is a tool. But what you fail to mention is that it is one of many. Here again I need to add: do not blame the tool for the craftsman's work.
Where you do get it wrong is when you claim that "Few things are capable of rallying the masses like the call of the divine and its spokesmen."
On the contrary, any ideal that groups people can have this effect, given the right spokeman. Tool vs craftsman. These ideals are not only or even mainly religion as you try to suggest, but it includes culture, race, sexual orientaion and even support for a specific sports team. All of these are used to rally the masses.