The internet Freedom war has begun.

DeletedUser

Anecdotal. Not all artists are the same. Some find no other means of income, some have other means of income. Some do what they do because they have their basic needs met, some do what they do because they attempt to have their basic needs met.

Passion is not an easy thing to harness when you're unable to pay for the necessities of life (food, clothing, shelter). As well, paint costs money, so does paper & pen. Etc...
 
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Yes but if you didn't have any passion for what you are doing then when faced with the prospect of being destitute you would give up on your art and get a day job.
I have heard of many bands living hand to mouth in the early years of their existance for example Dave Mustaine of Megadeth lived on the streets (or with whatever girl would have him at the time) after being fired from/ quitting Metallica and yet it didn't stop him from playing music.

Copyright laws don't really protect the big acts after all they've already made it should they decide to give away their work in the style of Radiohead they can do so. Its the small band that has to constantly tour in order to earn sufficient money to get back into the studio that is most effected by piracy.
 

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braetwalda said:
Yes but if you didn't have any passion for what you are doing then when faced with the prospect of being destitute you would give up on your art and get a day job.
I have heard of many bands living hand to mouth in the early years of their existance for example Dave Mustaine of Megadeth lived on the streets (or with whatever girl would have him at the time) after being fired from/ quitting Metallica and yet it didn't stop him from playing music.

Copyright laws don't really protect the big acts after all they've already made it should they decide to give away their work in the style of Radiohead they can do so. Its the small band that has to constantly tour in order to earn sufficient money to get back into the studio that is most effected by piracy.
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Yep, passion only gets you so far and doesn't make shoe leather any more palatable. While piracy may deny some income to the rich and successful, it can destroy an up-n-coming.
 

DeletedUser

You portray this as enforcing the law will lead to people who are innocent being wronged.
 

DeletedUser

However, by allowing criminals to go unpunished, you are hurting the innocent this way.
 

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Speed Killz said:
However, by allowing criminals to go unpunished, you are hurting the innocent this way.
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lol the US is run by a bunch of criminal scum that hurt millions, give me a break the guy hurt no one, just the media industry's pocket ....

Ahhh yes its illegal according to the law i hope he goes to prison for decades hes so dangerous and hurt everyone so badly by asking them to pay a few bucks for something they could have for free is they waited....

Go to war on an entire country illegally, steal billions from the public, lie, cheat, insider trade,ignore laws and have no repercussions, introduce dangerous chemicals into the food chain, organise assassinations, destabilise nations, engage in active terrorism both military and economic, keep people locked up with no trial, no timelimit and no rights. Ruin the economy, devalue everyones savings, and impoverish a nation.... now all those things hurt.....

All this done by those on the other side of the law the lawmakers and breakers.... this guys a criminal yes but please dont say hes hurting people because frankly thats a joke.
 

DeletedUser

Agreed, this guy is a criminal, but stealing from the rich does little actual harm. The television and movie industry is comprised of a very small group of people that are filthy rich. That doesn't stand as justification, but it does argue the point rather effectively (particularly when it is contrasted against the political machinations that fostered, sometimes even directly attributed to, some of the actions and events Victor just posed).
 

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Whoops. Turns out that Megaupload was planning to launch its own music service to compete with Hollywood’s music monopoly – Any bells ringing yet ?

MegaUpload Is Now Launching a Music Service Called MegaBox …There’s another gigantic wrinkle in the MegaUpload drama. Not only is MegaUpload fighting tooth-and-nail against Universal Music Group, but they’re now planning the launch of a cloud-based music locker, download store, and do-it-yourself artist service. It’s called MegaBox, and it’s already up in beta with listed partners 7digital, Gracenote, Rovi, and Amazon MP3. Actually, this is technically a relaunch of an earlier concept, and a perfect re-stab at major label opponents. “UMG knows that we are going to compete with them via our own music venture called Megabox.com, a site that will soon allow artists to sell their creations directly to consumers while allowing artists to keep 90 percent of earnings,” MegaUpload founder Kim ‘Dotcom’ Schmitz told Torrentfreak this week. – Digital Musical Upload..

Now why dosn't that surprise me ?
 
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Trade marks are not a new concept. In ancient times, and later, when a person who is a great craftsman, he will put a mark (rune?) on his items to identify that it is his and it is of quality equal to none. Of course, people could always copy it and sell the items that were made cheaply as his. Until the buyers realize they were scammed...

Another issue that has not been brought to light is ACTA (Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement). Chapter 2, section 3 Option 2 6, (b) has the relevant proposal safeguard right holder's property regarding the internet. It is also mentioned that ISPs could remove copyrighted media or just block access to it.

Link: http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2010/april/tradoc_146029.pdf

As for copyright and patent, and trademark... Queen Elizabeth II had her wave to the people protected and can only be done by her. The other problem is medical information. There's a substance that has an effect (I forget what it is) on cancer, yet no pharmaceutical company wants to develop it further because the substance has been around for a few centuries. The potential medicine won't be protected from having other companies copy it, which leads the company who first develop it with a huge R&D bill which they won't be able to recoup from. So, the substance is sitting around and not being developed for the greater good of humanity.

*sigh* Love this mess? Ideas... inventions... I just wish the world wasn't so selfish... there are plenty of those in the industrial age, it was fairly common to borrow someone's idea and take it further and then get the credit for it at a later date.
 

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As for the cancer treatment. There are so many not for profit entities out there who operate more on altruistic motivation that if there really was potential for the dug, then it would likely be developed and marketed by paid manufacturing. Even off brand prescriptions are common when things actually work. There was a story about people being prescribed Viagra instead of blood thinners to treat pulmonary hypertension because it was cheaper. The viagra pill is now marketed as Revatio too specifically because of this off-label use.

Now it could be that these organizations and all the doctors who see the associations have some sort of obligation to the drug manufacturers that it's off limits to even them. But I would take the claim with a grain of salt similar to all the 100 mpg carburetors that someone's uncle's Neighbor's friend's acquaintance with no technical training invented in his garage and the big oil companies bought it up just to destroy it. It might be true, but it sounds too good to be.
 

DeletedUser

There is absolutely no way to calculate a figure to actual losses due to digital rights infringement. Just because some one downloads a file for free does not mean that they would have otherwise purchased that file or if they had in fact not purchased that file before at at a later date. Every download does not equal a lost sell. If this guy had robbed a bank they would not get a conviction if the bank was not sure how much if any money was stolen.
 

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WillyPete said:
There is absolutely no way to calculate a figure to actual losses due to digital rights infringement. Just because some one downloads a file for free does not mean that they would have otherwise purchased that file or if they had in fact not purchased that file before at at a later date. Every download does not equal a lost sell. If this guy had robbed a bank they would not get a conviction if the bank was not sure how much if any money was stolen.
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The problem with this line of reasoning is that it is usually never illegal to download the file. The illegal part is in the copying and distribution that copyright law gives exclusive rights to control to the owners of the copyright protected item.

The calculation of damages is not based on the end user's propensity or willingness to pay for the item downloaded but rather it is based on the legal right of controlling the distribution of the protected content. In this, calculating damages is as simple as counting how many distributions occurred and multiplying that with either statutory damages (a default built into law) or actual costs charged to others for the same or similar distribution.

Each download is actually a lost royalty payment owed by the person distributing the material. This is what the law covers and why the website itself was busted and not the users of it. In the cases of limewire and other P2P programs, the down loader was also distributing.
 

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Sumdumass said:
The problem with this line of reasoning is that it is usually never illegal to download the file. The illegal part is in the copying and distribution that copyright law gives exclusive rights to control to the owners of the copyright protected item.
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No Sumdumbass, you copy the file when you download it. The original remains on wherever it is located. To obtain it, you copy the information. It IS illegal to download the file.
 
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