LMAO-come off it Leona, seriously? You think SSF's goals in the 3 seperate attacks they've had on our forts that they had no intention or desire for winning? Give me a freaking break. That's the most rediculous crap I have ever heard.
Leona-you are an intelligent person, so don't play stupid any further with the:
Total crap.
First, thank you for saying that I am an intelligent person, that was nice said.
Of course SSF's goals were to win, so were your goals today too, else it was a terrible waste of your people's hard earned money if you really didn't care. It has earlier really P.O.'ed me when I have found out that I was called to a fort battle that didn't really matter to the fort owners, just ask Denisero, she was recently at the receiving end of my wrath.
[Sorry, Denisero, but I really was P.'ed off and I was harsh on you for it. Maybe too harsh. Sorry :sad:]
You knew there were attacks planned on SSF by us as of 5 days ago. You knew it was multiple forts, and you knew another town was casting one of the attacks.
Yes, you gave me that information, unwanted information I told you, and we had a long conversation about it, long at least from my side. I have later been told that you had sent a similar telegram as the first you sent to me to at least one other founder where I was so kind to get back to you about it. Again, you didn't really disclose anything other than it was a multiple challenge at the same time, the numbers of forts you talked about were higher than the number you actually pulled off, so you can say that you fooled me, not that I care about that, I am not that thin-skinned.
If you have a beef with Galt's and you chose to side against us for it, it is what it is.
You have 3 options in a battle, neutral, for or against. So cut the [crap] and call a spade a spade.
Yes, as I said in an earlier post we have been neutral in regards of the Galt's towns, and we have been for you in the Middleton towns, but that changed after our latest fort battle, the numbers were convincing and they made us change our stance.
I don't know what spade you are talking about here, maybe you will elaborate on what I should call it's right name?
As far as us sending you help, I never received word of it that you needed help. You can't expect help-when it wasn't asked for. And that goes for any of your fort battles.
No, benben7 sent telegrams to Daija, it has been her who has been our contact in Middleton, I have never encountered you before neither in the game nor here. I have read your posts here, you probably have read mine, apparently we haven't found any reasons to take any contact with each other before a week ago. I'm kind of sorry that we haven't, I think we could have had some good banter with each other.
You seem like a pretty smart person yourself and I always enjoy communicating with people who knows the game and who are able to have some creative thoughts.
Your actions define you, not the ifs, ands, or buts. You know better.
Of course they do, I and the others in our staff look more at actions than at words, words are cheap, they are easily written, but if they are worthless when it comes to action I and we can't really use them for anything. An alliance where the allied conveniently stays away when we ask for help, that tells us more than any fine words. We actually dropped our alliances after we lost our big fort and started to look for new alliances among people who have shown their worth to us through their actions.
You made up 40+% of their force and you had the majority present. Without you, they were outnumbered considerably. BTW-you had 44 present, SSF had 26. I gave the credit where credit was due based off of who was there.
Oh yea, and the 6 people who fought on our side of it. You are so right, the MPA was not heavy handed in who their aid went to.
Uhm, I only count 17 Odd people in the JJB battle, there was 1 Odd person in the other, I don't know why she went there, that was her decision, I have no intentions of telling her off because of that, we don't treat our people as pawns and I guess she had her reasons.
As for the other MPA towns, they were on their own in this, you can believe me or not, I am a very honest person, which you should know about me by now, why should I lie about that it wasn't an MPA fort battle? Yes, I informed the other MPA towns, as I told you, but there were no consensus about that this was something we would enter together.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, if you think you can see a joint action from the MPA town's side, be my guest, nothing I say can convince you otherwise if this is what you think you see.
As a number freak, I think you would know the numbers better.
I read the numbers fine, thank you very much.
I think for someone who is a killer with words, would understand the implications of this statement. Unless it your intention to say publicly that Oddville/MPA is now enemies of Middleton.
It was a saying, that saying about your enemy's friend is your enemy and visa versa, sayings have many meanings, even English is not my first language I understand it well enough to know that even sayings contain some truths and can be used to express a lot, sometimes they shall not be taken too literally. Who would walk around with a bird in their pocket, literally, even one is better there than 10 on the roof, it says? Not anyone of their right mind if you ask me!
About our stance towards Middleton, well, the future will show, won't it? Your allied are not popular in our towns, to say the least, there is another saying that says tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are. Associating yourselves with some we are not fan of, well that falls back on you. And the sudden influx of Kaskus people to help you tells us a lot. Again, congratulations with having them woken up from their hibernation, I'm happy that they haven't gone totally into a stupor. But it confirms us in our opinions of you that you associate yourselves with them.
Ok, these are the words from me for now.
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Wrangler, you've never approached me for help, and I have never seen Daija post anything about a request for help from Oddville except one that went out late in early August, that very few could make in time. So you used your judgement based on help that was sent-yet never really asked for. We can debate the reasons/justifications all we want, including the 6+ hour trip time away your fort resides. Certainly, players are not going to make that trip for giggles, or ride out there just to see that they are sitting it out and wasted 12 hours.
Oddville has made a clear choice though, they've now backed it up publicly. One thing Middleton has never done, is sided against you.
Things are much better understood from where we sit today though, friend of my enemy.
WOW, your people must be poor since they can't afford some proper riding animals. It took me 3 hours to ride to the fort battle today, with my best adventurer riding gear though, it may have taken me a little longer with some not so good riding gear.
Just to clarify, I have sent out tele's when help's been requested, and I've made forum posts. Since they were old, the posts have since been deleted though.
I will say though Wrangler, in all our battles, the only Oddville person to ever show was BenBen has been the only one to make an appearance, although some may have been sat on the date of our most recent defensive battle.
I'd also explained to Ben and Leona both why we couldn't be present for that particular battle. We had friendly relations with a few people on each end, and because of that we refrained from taking any action. More people on the opposite end of the battle had previously assisted us than Oddville-ites, but rather than saying "more of them showed up to help us, so we're shafting you" we just chose to stay neutral on that battle.
That was what we were told by our former allied as well. :dry:
Yes, benben7 has been very active in riding to fort battle, myself, I have had a longer period recently where issues in real life have occupied my time, my characters have been almost inactive in some other worlds because of this. I would have come too, I deeply regret that it wasn't possible for me. We haven't ordered our people to come and help you out, it was our impression that you had the help you needed, specially after that high profile fort battle where you had more people than you needed, and you didn't ask us specifically for help. Had you done that we would have called our people to go and help you out. I know that several of our people don't consider the riding time over to you as something special, they go and duel our attackers from other counties without any whining. That's the price of living in the corner of the world, we have to ride far to get elsewhere where the actions are.
We have been friendly with Middleton up till that last fort battle. I kept your man in the battle by star'ing him so he shouldn't have come in vain.
