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I am pro-life since life is more valuable than choice but there are several reasons why a women may not want a child.
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DeletedUser
I think murder is always a choice and there are reasons people do it and usually there is psychological trauma for committing murder regardless of the reasons.
DeletedUser16008
Without going into the usual debate over what is life, at what stage and getting into all the usual drama, im pro life governed by choice.
DeletedUser
meh, neither. The entire debate of pro-life vs pro-choice sits on a false premise, and it is this false premise that propagates a false argument.
Why? In the case of Roe vs Wade, it was not fetal life vs women's choice that was the basis for the Supreme Court's ruling, it was safety. Figures firmly demonstrated it was more dangerous for a woman to carry a child through the first trimester than it was to have an abortion. Thus, specifically because a woman's life is in significant danger, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of voluntary abortion during the first trimester, precautionary abortion during the second trimester, and life-saving abortion during the third trimester.
You see, pro-choice is misrepresented (and, as such, so is pro-life). It refers to allowing a woman to choose whether she wishes to take the very large risk that she (and the fetus) may die from being pregnant (the bulk of complications arise before a woman ever even goes into labor). So, based on this fact, it looks like at least two of you are actually pro-choice, while one of you is just trolling.
Why? In the case of Roe vs Wade, it was not fetal life vs women's choice that was the basis for the Supreme Court's ruling, it was safety. Figures firmly demonstrated it was more dangerous for a woman to carry a child through the first trimester than it was to have an abortion. Thus, specifically because a woman's life is in significant danger, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of voluntary abortion during the first trimester, precautionary abortion during the second trimester, and life-saving abortion during the third trimester.
You see, pro-choice is misrepresented (and, as such, so is pro-life). It refers to allowing a woman to choose whether she wishes to take the very large risk that she (and the fetus) may die from being pregnant (the bulk of complications arise before a woman ever even goes into labor). So, based on this fact, it looks like at least two of you are actually pro-choice, while one of you is just trolling.
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DeletedUser
This is probably one of the biggest issues out there. Abortion nowadays is treated the same as birth control. I took a girl who thought she was pregnant to a clinic to get tested about 3 years ago. Before the test results were in, she was approached by no less then 4 people trying to talk her into having an abortion. One of the pitches was actually the ability to correct mistakes like not using protection.
Turns out she wasn't pregnant so it didn't matter to her. But the concept of for the health of the mother has morphed into monetary and social or some future health and it seem almost creepy as if the nurses and counselors and so on had some sort of interest in seeing another abortion happen.
note: I wasn't around when they spoke to her, I was told about it after the fact as I had to remain in a lobby while they treated her. But this is an accurate portrayal of the impression she received during the ordeal.
DeletedUser
Accurate how? Because this alleged girl said so? How does this even pertain to the question posed by the original poster? Seriously, your post is just trolling.
DeletedUser
I met a woman who after 20 years still felt so guilty about having an abortion that she went to a native American healer in a quest to find relief after seeing an army of psychologists and mental health specialists. Killing an unborn child can have very serious repercussions to the mother. Even after seeing this "healer" she still suffered.
DeletedUser
My friend's wife died because she attempted to have a child. What's your point?
DeletedUser
So she was giving birth and the child was in the wrong way round, so she suffocated? oh man.
Anyway, would abortion been killing of the child that you don't want that you wanted just 28 weeks ago. Then make up your mind, I personally don't like murder, if that could be called. She cut off the baby, killing the child and saving her life OR she could chose pro-choice and give birth to the baby, but she may suffocate and die, killing of mother and child OR she could chose pro-choice and give birth to the baby successfully, and mother and baby comes out fine.
Possibility 1: Lose 1
Possibility 2: Lose 2
Possibility 3: Lose none, instead gain 1
I lean towards pro-choice.
Anyway, would abortion been killing of the child that you don't want that you wanted just 28 weeks ago. Then make up your mind, I personally don't like murder, if that could be called. She cut off the baby, killing the child and saving her life OR she could chose pro-choice and give birth to the baby, but she may suffocate and die, killing of mother and child OR she could chose pro-choice and give birth to the baby successfully, and mother and baby comes out fine.
Possibility 1: Lose 1
Possibility 2: Lose 2
Possibility 3: Lose none, instead gain 1
I lean towards pro-choice.
DeletedUser
She made the right choice. Most parents would rather die than kill their child.
DeletedUser
No, she died from amniotic fluid embolism, well before she was ready to come to term.Glorry said:
What an idiotic, ignorant, presumptive statement. My friend was devastated. He lost the love of his life, married only a year. She lost her life, the child died in the womb, my friend barely recovered from it after 10 years. For awhile he felt like the child murdered his wife (logically, that's what happened).
The United Nations estimates 277,000 to 817,000 women die per year (800 to 2200 every day) due to pregnancy. A woman is over 13 times more likely to die from attempting pregnancy as opposed to obtaining an abortion. Oh, and have you ever heard of gestational diabetes? It is the most common type of diabetes and happens in about 5 percent of all pregnancies.
And what's the risk for a man? Other than losing their loved one because they were so full of themselves that they didn't bother to read up on maternal mortality and the great risks associated with pregnancy (before, during, and after)?
The risk for a man is NOTHING -- SO BUTT OUT.
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DeletedUser
Yes, because the girl said so. Isn't that what I wrote?
I guess it is what I wrote. Did you think her shoe told me or something?
As for what this pertains to the original post, it has just as much to do with the original post as your comment did.
You then went on trying to claim that the choice is only when the women's life is in danger which seems to be a false claim. Well, that may be true in your mind or some warped theory, but it doesn't seem to be true in practice.
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DeletedUser
Oh what a bunch of crap. At no point did I say "only," but that particular argument still glosses over the fact that a woman's life is in danger EVERY time she is pregnant.
DeletedUser
So whats you "solution?" Kill all unborn babies and stop the human problem once and for all? Or maybe you think murder should just be a choice based on if you think some one might cause you to die so its okay to kill them.
DeletedUser
It should be a choice as to whether a woman wants to risk her life to bring another life into this world. The man has no risk, and thus should stay out of the debate.
DeletedUser
Isn't the choice as to whether a woman wants to risk her life to bring another life into this world more aptly presented and decided before she gets pregnant?
Perhaps abortion should be widely available if it is a form of birth control. I fear for the safety and well being of the child should someone doesn't know how babies are made and how to stop it from happening in this day and age.
Perhaps abortion should be widely available if it is a form of birth control. I fear for the safety and well being of the child should someone doesn't know how babies are made and how to stop it from happening in this day and age.
DeletedUser
I believe that women are smart enough and empathetic enough and maternally gifted enough to be able to figure for themselves what is the right option for them and their unborn child. My only role is to be supportive of them, whatever they do decide.
It's an agonising decision and a load of ignorant boys judging, prescribing and labelling it serves nobody and nothing save their own egos and self-opinionatedness. If you can't be of any help, such as through charitable donations to adoption/counselling services etc. then stay the eff out of it.
It's an agonising decision and a load of ignorant boys judging, prescribing and labelling it serves nobody and nothing save their own egos and self-opinionatedness. If you can't be of any help, such as through charitable donations to adoption/counselling services etc. then stay the eff out of it.
DeletedUser
And the choice is clearly there when a woman gets raped, date raped, when a man insists on not wearing protection, on when a man acts like he's wearing protection but slips it off before insertion because it interferes with his pleasure or pulls at his pubic hair, when a condom breaks, when a diaphram breaks, when a woman forgets a pill, when a man forgets, when they're misinformed, when they think pulling out early prevents pregnancy, when a woman miscalulates her period, when the guy convinces the girl that he loves her and will be with her, when he claims he wants her children but then backs off when it actually happens, when children make bad choices, etc and so on.
In other words, stop assuming a perfect world loaded with perfect people and perfect contraception.
DeletedUser
How about abstinence??? If you are dead set against have a child to the point you are willing to kill, how about some personal responsibility? You don't need to have sex it is optional.
DeletedUser16008
How about being realistic for a change ? people will have sex, especially as most do it for pleasure. In fact im willing to bet pleasure is no 1 on list of reasons for having sex rather than anything else. You don't really advocate platonic partner relationships as seriously workable for society do you ?
Itll never catch on ...