Oil Spill

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DeletedUser14029

Lol, do I ALWAYS agree with Hellstormm?
Or did you not bother to check the threads concerning Religion. I pretty much always disagree with his views.
Before you frame me a bootlicker, enlighten me with your views on how this blame lands on America instead. Really, I am all the way here in Hong Kong, China and the news have long lost focus on this matter. *Yeah, that's right. Pitiful isn't it -.-*

*Waiting in stasis for LE0NIDAS and Hellstormm to trade shots*
 

DeletedUser

I havnt checked any of the previous threads in this section. To much to do in real life... however this one caught my eye and particularly annoyed me.

It appeared a standard Hellstromm rant and nobody disagreeing until i spoke up. That was merely my point.

As to why its Americas fault... read all my previous posts in this thread and you shall find a pretty comprehensive account
 

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LE0NIDAS said:
Very few species can stand the climatic differences between the Gulf of Mexico and GB waters. If anything the death and corrosion in the Gulf will bring lots of nutrients to our waters and wildlife shall thrive... the circle of life!

I believe you brought up hairy Argentinian asses into the conversation! But as to your final point i to would be devestated by an oil leak anywhere including the Falklands. Dont mistaken my defense of BP and GB as a lack of regard for the world in which we live.
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1) Hairy Argentian *****. Not like how I would describe the country and the people. Simply because you beat them in the war doesn't mean you rightfully own the place and call them such indecent names.

2) Did you just say that these mass-deaths of fish and marine lifeform will facilitate the circle of life -.-
I am only up to Secondary School Form 5 Chemistry/Biology Knowledge, YOUR Grade 11 in the States or Britain as far as I know - but Oil is quite devastating to any marine lifeforms' system - ingested, or whatsoever - can I say since Mercury-Poisoning will later cause the deaths of lots of fish so that their rotting body along with the poisonous/harmful substances help facilitate the circle of life? Enlighten me on this subject.
 

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LE0NIDAS said:
I havnt checked any of the previous threads in this section. To much to do in real life... however this one caught my eye and particularly annoyed me.

It appeared a standard Hellstromm rant and nobody disagreeing until i spoke up. That was merely my point.

As to why its Americas fault... read all my previous posts in this thread and you shall find a pretty comprehensive account
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Your previous posts are naught but incoherent rambling and examples of poor rhetoric.

I didn't see any reason to reply to this thread until I saw you being so full of yourself. My posts would otherwise be variations of "QFT" regarding Hellstromm's posts.
 

DeletedUser14029

but I must be fair - I saw on the news earlier - the American Government Department that is responsible for giving out licenses for off-shore Drilling also had some error? If someone can explain more detail on this subject I will be grateful.
 

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The Pro100 said:
1) Hairy Argentian *****. Not like how I would describe the country and the people. Simply because you beat them in the war doesn't mean you rightfully own the place and call them such indecent names.

2) Did you just say that these mass-deaths of fish and marine lifeform will facilitate the circle of life -.-
I am only up to Secondary School Form 5 Chemistry/Biology Knowledge, YOUR Grade 11 in the States or Britain as far as I know - but Oil is quite devastating to any marine lifeforms' system - ingested, or whatsoever - can I say since Mercury-Poisoning will later cause the deaths of lots of fish so that their rotting body along with the poisonous/harmful substances help facilitate the circle of life? Enlighten me on this subject.
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1. That was a just phrase Hellstromm used. Neither of us have been describing the Argentinian race as 'hairy asses!' lol

2. Are you sure you are in secondary school? None the immediate aftermath will reach GB's shores. Oil and dead birds etc are to heavy and have random trajectory. However the minerals and goodness that these decomposed bodies release are the perfect size and weight to be carried to GB shores through the Gulf Stream.

As to ...yawn...John Rose.... yawn.... im not being full of myself. The issue is a huge topic in GB and America atm. As the British point of view was not expressed i felt obliged to give it. My response is full of facts, figures and some personal opinions. As has Hellstromm's excellent responses. As to my "incoherent rambling and examples of poor rhetoric."...:p:p:p
 

DeletedUser14029

Honestly so you're telling me these fish and birds and other marine lifeforms killed by the Oil Spill is actually, NOT harmful at all - because they will decompose, then recycled - and also partly because 'the bad stuff' won't reach your coastline.

and yes, I am a Secondary School Form Five student. What's your point with this? I never mentioned you seeing Oil on your coastline in the near future. So what's the point of this, ah, quesiton?
 

DeletedUser11019

not right down to the point but some little bit more insight on how complex and mixed up oil really is, pointing the finger at a nation is probably the worst thing and option.
thats what they want.(they dont have to pay)

this is heavy on the Russian, but it shows how they all sleep in the same nest.

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/168/e/d/oilcrime_by_theblackpenny.jpg
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/168/c/3/oilcrime2_by_theblackpenny.jpg
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/168/2/1/oilcrime3_by_theblackpenny.jpg
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/168/5/d/oilcrime4_by_theblackpenny.jpg
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/168/f/f/oilcrime5_by_theblackpenny.jpg
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/168/e/6/oilcrime6_by_theblackpenny.jpg
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/168/7/7/oil_crime_7_by_theblackpenny.jpg
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/168/4/c/oil_crime_8_by_theblackpenny.jpg
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/168/8/8/oil_crime_9_by_theblackpenny.jpg
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/168/a/8/oil_crime_10_by_theblackpenny.jpg
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/168/a/0/oil_crime_11_by_theblackpenny.jpg

notice how the tv is blasting all these regulations all of a sudden, and even trying its best to steal from lil old grandma.
from people who have noting to do with oil, yet everything to say, people who are happy to hide behind the cloak of blame and even its doubts.
regulations regulations regulations.

oh and if you read the wiki about a few of these people, it will tell you how nice they are how many tittles they have, how much they have donated to charity and care for kittens.

this took 40 years of pain, 5 years investigation, 3 years research, a small handful of unknown people to gather and 3 months to edit by ..me.
you will not find it on any shelf, you will not be able to buy this book in any shop.
it was done old soviet style, with a hand shake deal, so there is no registration of its existence, no copy of how many units and no way to track it...the put people in space i hope you know.
have a warm winter.
*spaciba.
 
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DeletedUser14029

I am a little confounded - what's are you trying to say again? :S
I know US uses the most Fossil Fuels... *Okay, not really KNOW from a source, but that's what I heard and read somewhere*
 

DeletedUser11019

they a mixed bowl of soup,
and it aint alphabetic soup...they all involved with this BP scam...and yes,,it is now a scam.

the blame is being misdirected at the wrong people.
and the innocent are having to pay,,,yet again.

just heard on the news that all this could have been sorted faster and better,,,but they are more concerned with drilling and getting that oil,,,
 

DeletedUser

I don't like getting involved, but I will say I hate the personal insults Obama has brought out during this incident. His personal attacks on Tony Hayward (CEO of BP) were nothing short of disgusting. There is absolutely no need for such comments, BP (which as of 2001 does not stand for British Petroleum by the way) has accepted responsibility for the full clean up costs of the incident. The core feature of Corporate law is that the company has a corporate personality of themselves and is NOT merely one person.

The actual liability of Tony Hayward himself is not the same as the liability of BP, and Obama's cheap personal attacks are merely a simple ploy to increase his own popularity, which has sunk to under 40% following this incident. A fine example
 

DeletedUser

"It's documented. BP blatantly stated they had "proven" stopgaps and preventive measures in place. This was, in fact a lie, one that BP has already admitted to during this fiasco." Hellstrom

Howdy Hell. I wasn't saying BP didn't lie. I take it as a given that all the majors pretty well lie constantly. My point was that it is the job of regulatory authorities to spot the lies before an accident happens (any fool can do it afterwards), and that BP may not be the only ones to blame for this unholy mess and that all the facts are not yet on the table.
 

DeletedUser

I think BP did all that it really could and Obama is milking the problem as a publicity stunt. Plain and simple.
 

DeletedUser

Funny, Obama doesn't speak out and everyone says he's not doing anything. He starts speaking out and people claim he's milking it. At what point are we going to accept that Obama didn't create this problem and, as the U.S. President, he's tasked with making sure BP fixes it and the regulatory committee that was in place during the Bush administration is penalized for not verifying BP's false claims of assurety, which is exactly what he's doing?
 

DeletedUser

I'm happy for Obama to speak out about to help people, but not merely to say how he would have fired Tony Hayward, he knew whose 'ass to kick' (ps I can't belive they have a president who actually talks like that). How is having a go at the BP directors appropriate when they abided by the regulations set out, and have spent nearly 2 billion already in clean up costs, and have lost nearly $60 billion in share price. Again, its just Obama sucking up for votes rather than actually doing his job
 

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oversimplistic perception of the issue. The U.S. President is tasked to ensure things are done. However, without the voting populace behind him, other politicians will smell blood and once again try to block him at every turn. So, not only does he need to do things, which he's doing from an administrative/supervisory position, but he needs to ensure his popularity is not further diminished. So yes, he's making public appearances, speeches, and derogatory remarks about the BP CEO to ensure the U.S. public backs him and to keep the Republican dogs off him, but he's also doing what he needs to do, which is to ensure BP continues to work on stopping the leak, cleaning the spill, and reimbursing all those who will suffer from the economic impact of this incident.

As to the BP directors being fair game, yes they are. Not only did they not abide by the regulations, repeatedly lie about the severity of the problem thus hampering clean-up measures (Tony Hayward himself blatantly lied about the amount of oil spilling out from under the ocean), and have a history of reneging on their legal responsibilities (many incidents I listed earlier during Tony Hayward's stint as CEO), but they were being intentionally dodgy about setting up a trust fund to reimburse victims of this incident, and were trying to trick various coastal businesses into accepting grossly substandard settlements. In fact, during Hayward's chairing of BP, they were responsible for bribes and other illegal actions directed with the Minerals Management Service (MMS), the U.S. Government's agency responsible for inspection and oversight of energy companies.

As to the MMS, I have absolutely no love for them, a demonstration of the gross corruption that was the Bush Administration. From taking drug/sex parties, to allowing oil companies to fill out their own inspection reports, the MMS of the Bush Administration deserves ample blame, but do not dismiss the actions of BP, the literal drug dealers & pimps of this corporate/government debauchery:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hSsGsiZ18JYxHwuLGeC7Tu4T2nLwD9FTTNVG0
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704026204575266112115488640.html
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/MMS_inspector_general_report_pdf.pdf
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/10/rik-ethics-rules
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/10/smith-cocaine
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/oil.whistleblower/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/us/25mms.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/10/AR2008091001829.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/washington/11royalty.html?_r=1
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/09/10/52243/oil-companies-gave-sex-drinks.html
http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia...OIG-Cover-Letter.source.prod_affiliate.91.pdf
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/investigative/documents/smith-080708.pdf
 

DeletedUser14029

Sadly, yeah. Next book I gonna be reading after Don Quixote will be Corruption in Soviet Union :(

Back to the point - anyone think that the money the Americans are claiming is reasonable/unreasonable? So how are the fisherman repaid o_O?
 

DeletedUser

I know BP haven't had the best or even a good safety history and seem to keep taking shortcuts. But the majority of you posting here all seem to forgot something.

It was not BP's oil rig and it was not BP's workers. They were both American (mainly). Yes BP was apparently in charge of it at the time but the blame should not be focussed entirely on them.

Stop passing the blame in a Vendetta against one company which so happens to prop up your economy by employing a huge number of Americans and has a huge American Investment. BP is international and so blaming them is inadvertently hurting the US probably more than anyone else.
 
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