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I wasn't aware that OWS had coalesced.....
"Occupy Wall Street" movement another example of people power
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Perhaps you should be reviewing post #74 and maybe even bothering to read the news instead of watching the propaganda.
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No, they're just mostly unified, not completely unified, and that will give the propaganda more ammo, like it or not.
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No argument there. The OWS is, after all, just a bunch of people pissed off at being in the 99% majority and watching the top 1% getting all the bailouts and bennies whilst inflation and self-serving investors have succeeded in further marginalizing ye ol' mighty dollar whilst expanding the chasm of income disparity.
But I think it's fair to say there is a "great force" attempting to fuel that propaganda windmill. Marginalizing OWS serves the top 1%'s better interests.
That is at the core of this movement. The United States and, in fact, the entire world is being governed by plutocracies. Gone are the days of republics, democracies, and socialist nations (it can probably be effectively argued that such governments existed merely as a ruse). Plutocracy = the wealthy governing, and that is where we are right now.
But I think it's fair to say there is a "great force" attempting to fuel that propaganda windmill. Marginalizing OWS serves the top 1%'s better interests.
That is at the core of this movement. The United States and, in fact, the entire world is being governed by plutocracies. Gone are the days of republics, democracies, and socialist nations (it can probably be effectively argued that such governments existed merely as a ruse). Plutocracy = the wealthy governing, and that is where we are right now.
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It doesn't help that the 99% are currently the 0.0001%.....
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That is where we have always been. That is the way of the world.
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No, it has not always been the way of the world Iggy. History has shown this to be a fluctuating issue, posed mainly by irresponsible manipulation of economies whenever Plutos obtained regional monopolization. So, while we can view the disparity of wealth:
The real issue is presently in how the top 1% have a controlling interest in stocks/bonds, and thus are steering this world's economies:
It is in their seeming reckless driving of the economies that the top 1% exposes the world to another Great Depression (or another world war, as in the case of WWII):
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However, I firmly believe the monopolizing Plutos have learned from history and will endeavor to keep this and other nations in a virtual state of economic instability, as it is in this instability that the greatest opportunities for profit are envisioned.
A precarious precipice propagated for peak profit by Plutos. No wonder we're pissed...
<visit this article at Mother Jones for a collection of charts to chill your blood>
The real issue is presently in how the top 1% have a controlling interest in stocks/bonds, and thus are steering this world's economies:
It is in their seeming reckless driving of the economies that the top 1% exposes the world to another Great Depression (or another world war, as in the case of WWII):
Click Image to Enlarge
However, I firmly believe the monopolizing Plutos have learned from history and will endeavor to keep this and other nations in a virtual state of economic instability, as it is in this instability that the greatest opportunities for profit are envisioned.
A precarious precipice propagated for peak profit by Plutos. No wonder we're pissed...
<visit this article at Mother Jones for a collection of charts to chill your blood>
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this probably isn't relevant to the debate,. but the movement seems to be growing, on tuesday i saw another grop of protesters that had set up outside the Houses of Parliment in London, and tody i've just noticed that there's a group that have set up shop over here in Norwich (UK).
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Hellstrom, you really think that the wealthy have NOT been running the world for a very long time? What was all that crap with KINGS and QUEENS? And before that, what about the Egyptians? How did those guys get those pyramids built? Oh yeah, it was a community project that everyone chipped in to build?
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Wealth and power have, no doubt, often been hand-in-hand, but do not confuse one with the other for causation. Often, and historically, it is power that allows them to be rich. The problem is different now. The problem now is where wealth allows them to be powerful.
And the reason that is a problem, is because a greater majority of influential nations are presently geared and claimed as republic/democratic. The present state, which echoes the state before the Great Depression --- the present state, which echoes the state of Japan before entering WWII --- is caustic in almost every sense. The disparity of wealth is far greater than at any other time in history. It is, in no uncertain terms, at a bubble of social acceptance. Just as the bubble in real estate, social tolerance to exploitation eventually busts. And when that happens, bad things follow...
When you say, "they have always been," it disheartens me to think there are people out there being so damn dismissive and accepting of their "lot in life." It is demonstrative of the apathy that existed to let this happen in the first place. In one word, it's defeatism.
And the reason that is a problem, is because a greater majority of influential nations are presently geared and claimed as republic/democratic. The present state, which echoes the state before the Great Depression --- the present state, which echoes the state of Japan before entering WWII --- is caustic in almost every sense. The disparity of wealth is far greater than at any other time in history. It is, in no uncertain terms, at a bubble of social acceptance. Just as the bubble in real estate, social tolerance to exploitation eventually busts. And when that happens, bad things follow...
When you say, "they have always been," it disheartens me to think there are people out there being so damn dismissive and accepting of their "lot in life." It is demonstrative of the apathy that existed to let this happen in the first place. In one word, it's defeatism.
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DeletedUser28032
Actually as silly as it sounds they hired contractors
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Defeatism? Heck no it certainly is not!
Let me ask you this: What is the goal when you start a company? You want to make a profit. Where does that goal stop? I don't think it ever does. It is about making money. That is the game. I am pretty darn tootin that I am not the first person to equate money with power. Throughout history successful merchants have always held a form of power. Shoot, did you know that Sir Paul McCartney was KNIGHTED because of the amount of taxes he has paid to the Queen?
To say I am a defeatist is so wrong that it is ludicrous. I LOVE THE GAME. I will make a better lot in life. I believe in hard work and determination, and, to borrow something from another thread, I am going to just do it!
Let me ask you this: What is the goal when you start a company? You want to make a profit. Where does that goal stop? I don't think it ever does. It is about making money. That is the game. I am pretty darn tootin that I am not the first person to equate money with power. Throughout history successful merchants have always held a form of power. Shoot, did you know that Sir Paul McCartney was KNIGHTED because of the amount of taxes he has paid to the Queen?
To say I am a defeatist is so wrong that it is ludicrous. I LOVE THE GAME. I will make a better lot in life. I believe in hard work and determination, and, to borrow something from another thread, I am going to just do it!
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DeletedUser16008
Bump
Time for round 2 ? oh I do hope so.
Time for round 2 ? oh I do hope so.
nashy19
Nashy (as himself)
In The West the Americans goals are to get the most XP and China's goal is to get the most town points.
Then I have some unorthodox goal like winning the most duels, I must be a hippy or something.
Is your personal objective in life really to make as much money as possible?
I see the value of playing the game for money, but only as an enabler. I don't really care how many people I'm richer than.
I think it's much easier to get money from power than it is the other way around. Lottery winners don't become really successful or powerful people.
DeletedUser
Lottery winners don't become really successful or powerful people because the money is not delivered to them in one lump sum, allowing the state to have 'power' over them.....coincidence? i think not......
nashy19
Nashy (as himself)
"In Canada, Australia, Germany, Ireland, Italy, and the United Kingdom all prizes are immediately paid out as one lump sum, tax-free to the winner."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottery#Payment_of_prizes
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that is the problem here in America lottery winnings are taxable here in America. same with game show winnings. (there was a big deal when Richard Hatch didn't pay taxes on his winnings)
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Back on topic
I find it absolutely disgusting they are breaking up and arresting OWS participants all over the world. Just goes to show you who owns the police.
I find it absolutely disgusting they are breaking up and arresting OWS participants all over the world. Just goes to show you who owns the police.
DeletedUser16008
Aye its absolutely disgusting but people need to have it shoved in their faces how corrupt it all is before they finally give a *..... this is a wake up call for middle america/class around the world "they wouldn't do that to us brigade" its time to stand up and be counted. Look on the good side, every time they do this its ever more blatant and the people are seeing it for what it is, they don't like it and they are ever more likely to stand up and say ENOUGH, the numbers are growing and its gone Viral yeehaaa
P off the working class poor and theres not much of a problem they got that sown up, p off the middle class and its a whole new ball game. They are the ones that will organise and lead change. Heck even a policeman was arrested and about 100 or so volunteers.. The pics are all around the world and the message has been brought home.
You have no freedom to even protest now.... welcome to 1984 its just 30 years late in coming. Your a slave and they are treating people/you with blatant contempt and disregard of your basic rights, get off your knees, wake up and smell the coffee, the revolution has begun.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE
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