Whoa! I reply to one person's point and another one tells me it's off-topic. Tell the originator instead.
Let's start connecting the dots though - if a Eurozone country gets into a financial mess, it's the fault of the Euro, but if a non-Eurozone country does the same then it's not the subject of the thread? If you cherry-pick your data according to the conclusion you want to reach then your argument is circular.
LOL
so reading through the childish crap, basically you are saying that UKs issue is with the USAs federal reserve privately owned bank, who prints as and when they want, more and more dollars, that they sell to the US gvt for 8% interest, who then lends it on to other private banks, who then lend it to Iceland and other insolvent parties... who then go bankrupt and start a huge economic crisis?
mmm...
already you are pointing out one huge flaw:
In a business, if there is a problem, it is up to the manager to decide what to do.
if it all goes tits up, he cant turn around and blame his secretary!
so EU cannot blame federal reserve bank for it should have thought things through beforehand.
thats just on the crisis.
but there are many more flaws that have been pointed out. vic has done one awesome job of bringing figures to the table, which seem to be a lot closer to reality, on immigration policies.
Hellstromm, im thinking this is your chance to do a JR quote/slate post or opposite: to contribute (after having said you wouldnt contribute...)
and btw after having asked many times what EU has Brought to UK I still havent had an answer.
as for quoting cambridge or any prestige schools is complete nonesense. these people will always be in favour of europe and will always deny the existence of any flaws.
had i been a mummys boy and also gone to oxford or cambridge i would also be doing everything i can to preserve my inheritance rights to privileged positions in the society.
second, just check this out:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EU_Constitution_Ratification_Map.png
definition of referendum for those who dont know:
[spoil]A referendum (also known as a plebiscite or a ballot question) is a direct vote in which an entire electorate is asked to either accept or reject a particular proposal. This may result in the adoption of a new constitution, a constitutional amendment, a law, the recall of an elected official or simply a specific government policy. It is a form of direct democracy. The measure put to a vote is known in the U.S. as a ballot proposition or measure.[/spoil]
11 countries said yes by parliament (backhanders and mummies boys getting richer)
2 countries said YES via referendum
2 countries said NO via referendum
5 countries: referendum postponed indefinitely!!! including UK.
so no one knows how many countries/people are pro EU. Im guessing the only reason why we wont ever know is because most people are against.
should most people be for, then they would hold the referendums.
so it looks to me like UK isnt the only country who has been dragged unwillingly into the EU.
spoiler on voting:
[spoil]JR, when you say we should get population to shop at one shop so that other shops bring their prices down, i appreciate you learnt your lesson when u attended economic classes as i did, but this is a statement worthy of a beautiful ideology such as communism.
like you say yourself, with "ifs"...
In real life, if we managed to get everyone to boycott any store (which would in itself be a miracle, fighting against lobbies tends to be quite difficult), what would happen and what we would see would be a price increase from all the shops that aren't being boycotted.
like i said it is all controlled by money, and those who run HUGE supermarket chains.
so there is no way you will bring me to believe that voting is in any way, a form of freedom.
that voting influences the political agenda is possible. but it certainly does not change anything for the individual. it only changes who gets rich over the next 4 years.
like i said, its only a veil to control the masses. as is our banking system.[/spoil]
now if you are not European then i couldnt care less what you have to say about Europe, whatever you have learnt about it will not ever compare to what we have learnt, and what we have witnessed.
UK was thriving before all of the EU changes.
If something works, why change it?
imo as i have spent most of my life in sales and marketing, i could bet that all of this is down to a few large backhanders. the only thing anyone in any government is concerned about.
such is reality of business.
