Fundystopia (Fundy + Dystopia)

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Why don't we all just go communist?

I think that I said that we should, in an earlier post on Obama...

 

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Murder is unlawfully killing a person. That means execution, killing as an act of war (other than intentionallly killing private citizens) and abortion (whether the fetus is a person or not) are not murder. Whether there is a difference between killing your neighbor, aborting a fetus and executing a mass murderer is a different story. For the record though, the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill" not "Thou shalt not murder", at least mine do.

 

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Muder is unlawfully killing a person. That means execution, killing as an act of war (other than intentionallly killing private citizens) and abortion (whether the fetus is a person or not) are not murder. Whether there is a difference between killing your neighbor, aborting a fetus and executing a mass murderer is a different story. For the record though, the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill" not "Thou shalt not murder", at least mine do.

It depends on the translation.

Multiple translations exist of the sixth commandment; the Hebrew words לא תרצח are variously translated as "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not murder." Older Protestant translations of the Bible, those based on the Vulgate and Roman Catholic translations usually render it as "Thou shalt not kill," whereas Jewish and newer Protestant versions tend to use "You shall not murder." There is controversy as to which translation is more faithful, and both forms are quoted in support of many opposing ethical standpoints.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill#Killing_or_murder

 

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I fail to see the difference.

 

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That's why I said at least mine do. I have 3 different versions, and they all say kill, but thanks for correcting me on that.

 

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I fail to see the difference.

The difference is that if it says not to kill, then executions and war would also be forbidden, but if it says not to muder then they'd be ok because they're legal. Minor point, and totally unimportant since the meanings and translations of words can change easily.

 

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I fail to see how the law could allow such acts. But that's just me.

I suppose back then, murder and killing could have been the same word. Which I am in full support of.

 

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I agree with you on it. Not only do I consider all killing to be the same, I doubt very much that "God" would make exceptions to his laws for things that were allowed by man's laws.

 

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One thing I should mention is that I have probably read (parts of) an earlier version of the Bible than anyone else on this forum.

I forgot to check the commandments.

 

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Was there a lot of difference between the old one and the modern one? The oldest I've read is only about 100 years old, but I loved all the differences in my 1864 dictionary.

 

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As a matter of personal principle, I try not to kill people under any circumstances.

 

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I'd hate to quote myself, but this feels rather relevant:

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, science for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable an ignorable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
-- Albert Einstein

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." --
--General Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime."
-- Ernest Hemingway

 

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I shoo flies out the door rather than kill them, and got a cat when a mouse got into a house I rented. I have to admit that I have had a few neighbors over the years that had me reconsidering my beliefs on killing though.

 

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I think that I said that we should, in an earlier post on Obama...

That was me. But feel free to become a fischit, communist members of a online forum involving "Intolerant liberals" and "fundies"
COMMUNISIM FTW!

 

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Yes. Very logical. If abortion is truly murder. Which it isn't.

Then there was no reason to attack my post.

I've heard the song, and not once does it mention "I'm proud not to be a Canadian". Also, how can you interpret a Weird Al song as "serious"?

Have you heard the song “American Idiot”? However, on a more serious note, my comment was typed light heartedly.

You can love your country, and that's fine. You can say your country is the greatest in the world, and that's xenophobic. You can say that all other countries must be destroyed, and that's nationalistic. I was joking. You were being xenophobic. That's one step away from nationalism.

It is not racist to say that your country is the greatest in the world. It’s called pride and loyalty. It’s equivalent to a child telling his mother she’s the greatest mom in the world. However, America is truly the greatest country in the world. According the CIA World Fact Book, the United States is the most powerful nation. No other country gives their citizens the type of freedom our country gives theirs.

I said that I didn't make up offensive nicknames for people. Then you said: "You mean like Maryland and Daffyd?" So clearly, you did find it offensive.

You slammed me for misspelling your name. I tried to show you your hypocrisy by bringing up what you called David and me. But I repeat, I was not offended that you were calling me Maryland.

Not to me. I would never be loyal to a country I didn't like, and I would never be disloyal to a country I did like. And I base these opinions on government. Not xenophobia.

I might like other nations, but I am loyal to no other than my own. Furthermore, you were trying to support Stalin. That revolting man deserves no loyalty.

The grammar is where I got my statement from. I did it again, and it was still the same. Perhaps you should do the grammar.

I said abortion should never be allowed.

Killing and murder are the same thing. War makes no difference. And even people like you know that killing civilians is murder.

Dropping the bomb on Japan saved lives. If you can’t figure that out, I’ll explain it.

I'd hate to quote myself, but this feels rather relevant:[removed]

This coming from a soldier is laughable.

 

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This coming from a soldier is laughable.

Obviously General Eisenhower knew nothing of wich he spoke.

 

[DeletedUser]

This coming from a soldier is laughable.

Not at all. No one hates war like those who've been there. I could probably find 100 anti-war quotes from war heroes.

 

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1) Uhm.... nationalzocialismus anyone?
A petty of nationalistic facism on the side perhaps?

Nothing bad ever comes from patriotism, does it....?

2) Argue semantics all you want. A life was still stolen away, and as a human being you should have a problem with that.

If you're going to use German, please learn to spell it correctly.

For those of you who do not speak German, he means National Socialism. And John, if you really want to accuse me of that, I think I'm going to have to hide behind Oisin.

Not at all. No one hates war like those who've been there. I could probably find 100 anti-war quotes from war heroes.

You could probably find even more than that. Please, allow me to rephrase my post:
That coming from someone who previously stated that he's considering re-enlisting and who has weakly defended war in the past, is laughable.

Virginia I don't think I've ever attributed words spoken by JM as coming from you, nor do I expect you to defend JM's views or be responsible for anything he says. You may be twins in some ways, but as a mother of twins I know there are huge differences between the 2 of you. Besides, I usually just ignore JM while I do take the time to read your posts.

I appreciate that.

And even people like you know that killing civilians is murder.

I somehow missed this before. . . ouch. . .

 

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For those of you who do not speak German, he means National Socialism. And John, if you really want to accuse me of that, I think I'm going to have to hide behind Oisin.

That was a response to your claim about nothing wrong came from being fiercly patriotic, and with a moments thought, you'd realize that.
Not everything said is an attack on you as a person, in fact few things are.

Where exactly is the fine line between patriotism and nationalism?


As for my considering re-enlisting vs killing being wrong, I don't see them as mutualy exclusive.
I can both think of killing as ethicaly wrong at the same time as I consider re-enlisting.

 

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That was a response to your claim about nothing wrong came from being fiercly patriotic, and with a moments thought, you'd realize that.
Not everything said is an attack on you as a person, in fact few things are.

Where exactly is the fine line between patriotism and nationalism?

Nothing wrong can come from my fierce patriotism. Wrong things happen when people are nationalistic. I am one of the last people who would ever succumb to that. I do not like big government.

As for my considering re-enlisting vs killing being wrong, I don't see them as mutualy exclusive.
I can both think of killing as ethicaly wrong at the same time as I consider re-enlisting.

So you think what you are considering to do is wrong, but you're considering to do it anyways -- and then you're trying to tell me that that's not laughable? You're trying to play both sides of the fence. You can't shoot down war, and then say you're considering re-enlisting.