Cancelled battles

[MistaHMimE]

I just found out that this Fortbattle was Cancelled by staff:

Canceled Battles:
• World: Colorado
• Declarer: BIGGZ99
• Fort name: MariusNub
• Declaration time: 2023-10-07 21:20
• Battle occurrence time: TBD
• Reason for Cancellation: Intentionally interfering with others' scheduled or planned battles


Just know this folks:

This one was NOT interferring with OTHERS scheduled or planned battles.
This battle was already scheduled and people had signed up. But then a Town called ToG decided to dig near the fights same time. THAT was the one TRULY interfering. What this means i leave up to you to decide but just know this wasn't the first time this happened. When asking about it we been given a vague non clear answer from: Sheriff John NPC. Stating if we had issues with this we had to contact support. We contacted support multiple times but all we got back was a deafining silence. I find this strange to say the least.

 

[martoru]

Join ToG and all youre problem will be solved )))

p.s. no offence, is just a piece of bad humor

 

[JWillow]

I just found out that this Fortbattle was Cancelled by staff:

Canceled Battles:
• World: Colorado
• Declarer: BIGGZ99
• Fort name: MariusNub
• Declaration time: 2023-10-07 21:20
• Battle occurrence time: TBD
• Reason for Cancellation: Intentionally interfering with others' scheduled or planned battles


Just know this folks:

This one was NOT interferring with OTHERS scheduled or planned battles.
This battle was already scheduled and people had signed up. But then a Town called ToG decided to dig near the fights same time. THAT was the one TRULY interfering. What this means i leave up to you to decide but just know this wasn't the first time this happened. When asking about it we been given a vague non clear answer from: Sheriff John NPC. Stating if we had issues with this we had to contact support. We contacted support multiple times but all we got back was a deafining silence. I find this strange to say the least.

The regular dig he refers to is the daily prime agreed to by the majority of the player base on Colorado and the agreement is why Colorado has stood the test of time. No other net world can claim to have daily battles held by with such high numbers in many years. Colorado even has to have a saloon 3 during the prime time, when most all other worlds barely can fill one if they even come close at all.

Also the dig that was cancelled was dug on a medium fort that would have left out potentially 80 or more players denying them the chance to gain a pretzels in the event that is currently running.

Prime time is protected for the 2 main alliances so that majority of the community has a chance to participate. The rule about prime has been a Colorado player base one even before the position was made by inno.

So why do you feel you need to ruin prime time for up to 80 players? Also there was a very good chance attack would not have filled anyway and defense a nightmare for the ranker so the whole point of the battle was to cause drama at its core, because one doesn't try to exclude fort fighters because it is fun for all.

 

[BigNoob]

You can refer to Policies against Spam Fort Battles for the official rules. There you can read the following:

"..."Spam Fort Battles" are those battles declaration, not for any discernible legitimate purpose, that have as a primary effect interference with the gameplay of others. This can include: (Intentionally) interfering with others' scheduled or planned battles..."

I believe JWillow managed to explain very well and in depth the many ways the fort batte that got cancelled would have interfered with the gameplay of the other players (thank you).

 

[Clever Hans]

Prime time is protected for the 2 main alliances so that majority of the community has a chance to participate. The rule about prime has been a Colorado player base one even before the position was made by inno.

Prime time is not protected by 2 main alliances, rather by your "FF expert" mod buddies, who happen to play in these same two alliances and abuse their powers to cancel the legit dig although no rules (including 2022 spam dig rules) were broken.

 

[JWillow]

Prime time is not protected by 2 main alliances, rather by your "FF expert" mod buddies, who happen to play in these same two alliances and abuse their powers to cancel the legit dig although no rules (including 2022 spam dig rules) were broken.

Well yes the ff strategist cancelled it, that might be true. But for around a decade the prime time has been established on Colorado by the players themselves and I am sure the community put a lot of effort in back then to pick a time with the most players online.

Also at the end in my view, the battle was wrong because it prevented players from attending while there was a planned dig that would have spaces for most if not all sign ups in a regular scheduled dig by one of the main alliances.

What is better, a battle many player would be left out or one that has plenty of room making it welcoming to the community on Colorado at large? As with limited space means low levels or less active players would be left out and taking one of the good sources of event tokens.

Sorry if those who abuse the right to dig are not given free reign anymore to ruin the chances for a good full battle for whole world of Colorado.

How very sad you don't care about the health of the world, then again health of a world does not effect churches so I guess you are good.

 

[MistaHMimE]

The regular dig he refers to is the daily prime agreed to by the majority of the player base on Colorado and the agreement is why Colorado has stood the test of time. No other net world can claim to have daily battles held by with such high numbers in many years. Colorado even has to have a saloon 3 during the prime time, when most all other worlds barely can fill one if they even come close at all.

Also the dig that was cancelled was dug on a medium fort that would have left out potentially 80 or more players denying them the chance to gain a pretzels in the event that is currently running.

Prime time is protected for the 2 main alliances so that majority of the community has a chance to participate. The rule about prime has been a Colorado player base one even before the position was made by inno.

So why do you feel you need to ruin prime time for up to 80 players? Also there was a very good chance attack would not have filled anyway and defense a nightmare for the ranker so the whole point of the battle was to cause drama at its core, because one doesn't try to exclude fort fighters because it is fun for all.

That would have been a fair point if not for the fact that no pretzels have been recieved from ff for the last 3 days.

 

[MistaHMimE]

Also seems Clever Hans really is Clever he gets it.

 

[JWillow]

That would have been a fair point if not for the fact that no pretzels have been recieved from ff for the last 3 days.

What do you mean no pretzels have been received from FF for the last 3 days? I have gotten pretzels from every battle I went to in the last 3 days. Event ends on the 10th.

If you mean you got left out, I just looked at the board and only one attack filled, so maybe try attack if you keep getting left out.

Also you can join the Clever on any dead world you please, doubt there is any real worry for mods to get involved as long as you don't spam multi battles, plus he is itching for more battles, so win win for all.

 

[Victor Kruger]

Prime time is not protected by 2 main alliances, rather by your "FF expert" mod buddies, who happen to play in these same two alliances and abuse their powers to cancel the legit dig although no rules (including 2022 spam dig rules) were broken.

Actually it is & protected with agreement of the vast majority who FF there ..Colorado is NOT an organic world nor ever has been. Ofc it is a monopoly but also ensures the best FF and most turnouts on a regular basis at prime times . It dosnt suit everyone either for that reason & thats fine too.. all the other worlds are open season & an alliance can if they wish keep & dominate until the world dead as so often happens but .. not here.

Colorado has always been a FF managed world, supported by others plus council. Some things must be enforced one way or another so that world remains stable & its been no secret since day 1. Colorado was always the exception and events focused there specialising in FF for the sake of FF themselves & unlike all the other words has not fallen into oblivion .. From time to time ofc it gets out of shape sure, but there has been a 2 main side support re prime time FF forever and the system obviously works because its the only world that still fills up large every day.

The main 2 sides do 99% the workload to keep things chugging along daily, shuffle about players and often whole towns are asked to willingly & sometimes grudgingly to move sides to balance. If its required for the rest of the world to have better FF sometimes an alliance even when dominating is wilfully or forced into disbanding. This year was the last time that happened with HWGA and plenty upset players but was still the right thing to do for the balance and world so it was done. This topic is an indirect result of that and restless players. Generally most involved in keeping things going do so for everyone elses benefit not their own ends .

Thats not to say some ofc dont have personal agendas and I still dont agree playing a world you moderate or look after should be allowed for obvious reason, however re Colorado yes its different.. Other little groups are not allowed to disrupt for long and there are many many other worlds to go mess about on .. not here.. In this particular case its ex members of ToG and good friends who are trying to disrupt things atm, first by having off prime large or meds outside event times which was disrupting prime turnouts and quality. Now trying to infringe into prime time because messing around off prime isnt working out. Both main sides, council and support team all view that as a no no and intentionally disruptive so ofc will put a stop to it one way or another.. These are not short term players messing around but long term vets & know full well its disruptive & what colorado stands for but probably thats the fun part in trying... to upset the status quo without a care to the rest of the player base than themselves .. in this particular case I would have cancelled it too.

On Colorado. The needs of the many far outweigh the needs of the few or the one...

 

[badfl00d]

and the system obviously works because its the only world that still fills up large every day.

I don't really get why Colorado needs to stay with the same old system, things can change and we have the population to experiment with. Every time I read a new argument on this it seems like one side or the other is hesitant to change. Joined 'Freedom' and their endeavors to start a new alliance because I do want freedom for an international community to play together. They reached out to me, and when I left Under Review with TNW, I did not hear any protests from Under Review leadership. I don't expect begging and pleading but here's the thing. The black hats of Freedom have treated me and my town with respect, I am always happy to show them that same respect back.

The "us vs. them" mentality being pushed around is something I really don't like from either side. Recently received a telegram from one of my town members saying that a member from Under Review targeted them for duel, killing them. I can only speculate if this was some form of "retaliation" towards Unity members. Most of townies do not even participate in fort battles nor really want to, quite honestly, I cannot necessarily blame them. The experience grind is fun, making new friends and family is fun, but the drama is usually pretty... petty? To me, this is essentially like listening to friends argue about what time is the best time to go to the movies tomorrow night and they just end up completely missing the point of just going to the movies with your friends. In this case, I mean, fort battle just to fort battle y'all, and keep it in the ring letting FF drama seep out into the world is likely just going to lead to less people wanting to join.

all the other worlds are open season & an alliance can if they wish keep & dominate until the world dead as so often happens but .. not here.

unlike all the other words has not fallen into oblivion .. From time to time ofc it gets out of shape sure, but there has been a 2 main side support re prime time FF forever and the system obviously works because its the only world that still fills up large every day.

I believe low population count is purely why FF is dead on other servers. Even with event-focused Awesomia battles, I remember seeing Las Vegas being decently populated but no-where near the level it was on Colorado. Other servers are open season, I can only imagine those battles being like playing wall ball by yourself, little to no resistance. It's not a real option here and the suggestion is laughable.

In my opinion, the whole idea of digging a fort needs reworking by Inno, even increase the number of forts to facilitate a higher frequency of battles on a truly high population server like Colorado. I get grossed out by the idea of a "prime time." We have players from all over the world in Colorado, some of them are retired, some of them work nine-to-five jobs, some have families, some live alone. Yes... yes, the many needs of the many... thank you Spock. Personally, my schedule has been pretty hectic, I join battles when I can and prefer to not offline a fort fight whenever possible.

Other little groups are not allowed to disrupt for long and there are many many other worlds to go mess about on .. not here.. In this particular case its ex members of ToG and good friends who are trying to disrupt things atm, first by having off prime large or meds outside event times which was disrupting prime turnouts and quality.

Being honest when I say this, sounds like a communication problem to me chief. Y'all have enough players in Under Review to facilitate a defense or an attack and thats AFTER members splitting off in the name of freedom, a concept some seem to have a phobia for. If you are having poor prime time turnouts because your members are attending off time battles (probably cause they like that time too and your prime time is an illusion) then maybe you should reach out to them and tell them which battles to prioritize. Too many people to go through to message? One of those 'open season' servers could be better for your pace.

I do not see us attacking as being "disruptive," and some of the statements I read from ToG leaders about Unity members sound, or vise-versa tbh, are low-key starting to sound like political propaganda.

These are not short term players messing around but long term vets & know full well its disruptive & what colorado stands for but probably thats the fun part in trying.

Especially a line like this. Like if I were a 3rd party town/alliance, I would have to ask "why do you feel you can speak for us?" It just feels like there is a power struggle and one side or the other doesn't like that there is something up for grabs that they feel is their god-given right to have as their own.

To march to the beat of one's own drum, so boring, I prefer a good polyrhythm.

 

[WesternCalin]

As it was said above Colorado is not a natural world in terms of FF and that makes it great. With this in mind still there are problems and if you guys from UR think you are the only ones that suffer its not true. Lawless is struggling on off-prime batttles and we are not able to create more equal and challenging battles for our side, which i'm trying to improve.
If we are speaking about UR prime battle why you dont want Freedom(Unity) to help you there in order to balance the sides? Especially since now some towns from us left. Having more than 2 alliances is definitely better as the secondary ones can switch sides to balance things out.

 

[MistaHMimE]

As it was said above Colorado is not a natural world in terms of FF and that makes it great. With this in mind still there are problems and if you guys from UR think you are the only ones that suffer its not true. Lawless is struggling on off-prime batttles and we are not able to create more equal and challenging battles for our side, which i'm trying to improve.
If we are speaking about UR prime battle why you dont want Freedom(Unity) to help you there in order to balance the sides? Especially since now some towns from us left. Having more than 2 alliances is definitely better as the secondary ones can switch sides to balance things out.

Because in protest towards UR we have EXPLICITLY agreed NOT to support ANY UR battles. So we don't expect them to help us.

 

[Victor Kruger]

I don't really get why Colorado needs to stay with the same old system, things can change and we have the population to experiment with. Every time I read a new argument on this it seems like one side or the other is hesitant to change. Joined 'Freedom' and their endeavors to start a new alliance because I do want freedom for an international community to play together.

Im merely explaining the hows and whys Colorado is different, why 2 sides are shuffled about and dominate call times and why the miopic petty player vs player feuds or usual world silliness is mostly avoided. Couldnt care less about the alliance names or who in them or the politics.. only the long term Health of the FF and population there.. Re Freedom ive know some since they started the game in my towns in older worlds ask Biggz or TonyTigerz & I know what the objective is and why but that will damage the overall balance and fracture things further ... both main groups and council understand this & so does Unity leadership really but i guess they convinced the games done so what the hell, one more roadtrip and any other world that would be me too.. I get it. Heck ive personally arranged for every single fort to be called in 24 hrs on a world to shake things up despite owning them all at the time just to rebalance things.. Colorado is not going to benefit from another mess or free for all & i can prove it.

Especially a line like this. Like if I were a 3rd party town/alliance, I would have to ask "why do you feel you can speak for us?" It just feels like there is a power struggle and one side or the other doesn't like that there is something up for grabs that they feel is their god-given right to have as their own.

Originally being the sole battle & event mod I couldnt play Colo but did look after it for years and events there was my choice of theme & world to make special so all i ever cared about was, were the FF great ? how to make it better and to last so it would not fall to closure like so many other decent worlds inno ruined & closed too early. Council built on that and a world that FF endures 12 years ago still going now tells me it was managed decently enough since and still in better shape than every other world today.. Montana included & thats barely a year old and already dead since Easter. Thats the proof right there what works and what dosnt.. New one will be dead even faster trust me ..So yer I can say i know what im talking about & care more about Colos world health than most, more than any alliance or my town & zero personal agenda and If theres one truly unbias player there probably its the guy who made it kick to begin with for 4 years while not even playing it. Youll have to either accept i have zero interest in power plays or need to prove anything to anyone or im full of it.. only I can prove what im saying and so can some of Unity leadership having been there with me on worlds i enjoyed ripping to shreds with and on Colo, in the high times when i wasnt a player but just the event manager, they and many others on Colo know it too.. just ask around. Im no Saint but also no liar & I answered Hans originally because I like and respect him as a player as i do most everyone but about Colo hes wrong and decided a proper respectful reply was merited.

Forgive me for saying, but unless youve played Colo for a decade or more you cant possibly imagine its history, dramas and both good times n bad..with 40000 + on or have a clue what to do to make a world tick longterm FF when its getting no more new blood or migrations to help keep it going like others are and they STILL got no decent FF to show for it.. what we got there now is the most itll ever be again bar a few noobs or returning vets on Vac or on ice. let that sink in .. Unity isnt thinking about the bigger picture or others.. just themselves n thats fine.. i dont agree n tho consider many in Unity friend will still oppose and 100% support council over any attempts to ruin whats worked for so long just to amuse their own game..

Im all for change, its a fact of life and everything changes but not always to the better. This is one of those times

Because in protest towards UR we have EXPLICITLY agreed NOT to support ANY UR battles. So we don't expect them to help us.

Sok you wont find any support from LL either or council little one & respectfully you dont have a clue what your talking about. Biggz etc knew the day they left ToG what would happen next re support so good luck with the rebellion, rah rah rah n all that dope.. one day youll wake up n see its just a few players wanting to play it on their own terms & who couldnt care less about the world player base in general. I and others v much do care .. and as usual itll fail.. seen it a dozen times.

If people think a global population of less than 1500 active can support a free for all for long... you havnt been paying attention n those that have know exactly where it takes a world ... into half empty FF and a dead world in a year.. pick any other they are all DEAD .. including the new one coming out.. by Easter that will be dead as Montana is. See if im wrong.. I promise you im not .

 

[badfl00d]

If theres one truly unbias player there probably its the guy who made it kick to begin with for 4 years while not even playing it. Youll have to either accept i have zero interest in power plays or need to prove anything to anyone or im full of it..

I think, at this point, both sides are "full of it" are driven by their egos. This statement alone makes think you have actually have a great amount of bias, I believe most vets do unless they are the type to be silent and just do their own thing.

I think it is very foolish and childish to say one side cares more than the other. Again, to me coming from a noob perspective, this sounds like disgruntled veterans arguing with other disgruntled veterans cause one side broke "le status quo" after however many years of it being unchallenged.

Forgive me for saying, but unless youve played Colo for a decade or more you cant possibly imagine its history, dramas and both good times n bad..with 40000 + on or have a clue what to do to make a world tick longterm FF when its getting no more new blood or migrations to help keep it going like others are and they STILL got no decent FF to show for it..

If you start a statement like that, you might wanna reconsider saying it entirely. Like I hope Inno has treated/paid you well for your time or something... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It still does not make it justified for you to try to invalidate the opinions of other players based on time played or what achievements they've gotten, neither of those get you respect in my book, no matter how long you've been here. Being mindful of others, showing generosity and understanding does. I try to show respect to Inno because they service the game, considering it wise not to bite the hand that feeds us all the yummy spinach, beans with bottomless coffee and tea.

Unity isnt thinking about the bigger picture or others.. just themselves n thats fine..

Again, the main reason I joined Unity was because of respect. This thread is essentially the first time I'm talking long-form with someone from UR side, I did not receive any telegram from UR leadership explaining their side when I took TNW with me to join Unity. Here we are and tensions between the heads of Unity and UR have obviously escalated, yet I often hear crickets unless I'm baked enough to read forum posts and stumble into a thread like this one.

How can you expect me to see your way without you even attempting to see mine? I can mostly agree with points from both sides at the end of the day so I don't really get the contention but I'm not tapped into these big conversations which is why its hard for me to believe that you care when you say you do. In my opinion, we need to be able to poll the entire population of Colorado for big decisions rather than it being behind closed doors between alliance heads, mods, secret pagan god worshiping circles, or whatever it is. I'd rather know the opinion of the masses for certain, rather than blindly believe words of an alliance head at this point.

Just to be clear here's what I'm putting into my letter to Santa Klaus this year, I want to see FF being a lot like a football/soccer matches, scheduling needs to be agreed upon by both parties or it doesn't happen and the time slot will be opened to others who can reach agreement. I am thinking of like this because even though I don't like the idea of "prime time" it's not really something I'll die on a hill for trying to get rid of. Sometimes leaders already give forts back, Inno putting an official 'scrimmage' ruling/feature would be neat to see. I would really like to see some growth to where alliances can actually team up and form larger-factions for special super massive fort battles, think Awesomia style but maybe even bigger who knows I'm just spitballing at this point.

Anyways, I do not feel I have bad blood with UR. I do not call them names, or make duel orders against their members. If they feel I have done them wrong in some way or another, apologies, send me a telegram on Colorado and we can talk it out.

 

[JWillow]

@badfl00d

While you see ego of veterans where you want, what I saw was Victor taking time to give you some history and reason why Colorado is the way it is.

Colorado has medium battles almost daily and sometimes larges in event times. What do other worlds offer, any battles at all out of event time? Looks like maybe Juarez and Montana, though how long Montana stays daily is unknown.

The system works for the most part on Colorado and the reason Colorado has that size of a player base is because of the system. As it is proven that players like a stable fort battle scene. Many players have started on newer worlds quit or found Colorado. Most newer players did not come to Colorado looking for what all the other worlds are like, they wanted peace of mind of a stable world.

Honestly if you want randomness there are many different worlds of like minded people, why not try those, but please don't complain when the fort battles scene fails.

Yes maybe the council doesn't speak for every single player, but the council does represent the views of the majority of fort fighter on the world.

Also for you keep bringing up you leaving UR, maybe they didn't reach out because they allow towns to move around, sometimes players want to play with new faces. Now yes during shuffles towns do get asked to move around to make good building blocks for 2 main sides, but that doesn't mean every town has to be in one or the other. There was always some factions of independents, though those independents do typically pay attention and help where there is need.

I think in some ways, you have not properly watched the rise and fall of enough worlds to know how easy it is to end with a dead world. Maybe you should try Navajo, good learning experience, plus there is no council and no established system in place. So a clean slate to try what you want to try without trying to tear down what has worked for Colorado for your own wants.

More battles does not equal more fun in my opinion, for me having the most onliners possible is more fun, as it means it is the team play that it is suppose to be. Typically more battles means loads more offliners and less active players because the player base is spread thin, as players don't have unlimited hours to be online. 2 battles daily would probably be a good amount but more than that just becomes hard, for tanks especially with filling hp, takes longer than damagers that can just come on 10 minutes before battle and travel and change clothes.

 

[badfl00d]

Honestly if you want randomness there are many different worlds of like minded people, why not try those, but please don't complain when the fort battles scene fails.

I think in some ways, you have not properly watched the rise and fall of enough worlds to know how easy it is to end with a dead world. Maybe you should try Navajo, good learning experience, plus there is no council and no established system in place. So a clean slate to try what you want to try without trying to tear down what has worked for Colorado for your own wants.

Again Willow, why do you think you can claim this is what I want without even asking me? and like yea I even said I am in the "noob" category so no shiz Sherlock I haven't been here for a decade to see the rise and fall of the romans.

Fwiw, I am on Navajo, Las Vegas, Kansas, Montana and Colorado so it's not like I came into the world yesterday.

Also for you keep bringing up you leaving UR, maybe they didn't reach out because they allow towns to move around, sometimes players want to play with new faces. Now yes during shuffles towns do get asked to move around to make good building blocks for 2 main sides, but that doesn't mean every town has to be in one or the other. There was always some factions of independents, though those independents do typically pay attention and help where there is need.

I mean you're right, I should just kick my townies out of TNW, take it with me and leave. Ignoring the wishes and wants of both UR and Unity to go do my own thing. Best keep out of the petty vet dramas.

More battles does not equal more fun in my opinion, for me having the most onliners possible is more fun, as it means it is the team play that it is suppose to be. Typically more battles means loads more offliners and less active players because the player base is spread thin, as players don't have unlimited hours to be online. 2 battles daily would probably be a good amount but more than that just becomes hard, for tanks especially with filling hp, takes longer than damagers that can just come on 10 minutes before battle and travel and change clothes.

Yea, thats what I meant by a soccer/football match where both sides need to agree on times, where both sides can optimize for having the maximum amount of onliners as they can scramble together. I dunno whether or not Inno should enforce particular time slots per day so that there isn't FF spam and so that there is a "neutral schedule" that the world can adhere to, but maybe? I'm not talking randomness and the Wild West - even though thats literally there game theme...

 

[Beefmeister]

kind of the common song being played nowadays...everyone says "bro we want the same thing, we have the same goal"...but nobody is actually doing anything for it to happen but the exact opposite

 

[JWillow]

Again Willow, why do you think you can claim this is what I want without even asking me?


I mean you're right, I should just kick my townies out of TNW, take it with me and leave. Ignoring the wishes and wants of both UR and Unity to go do my own thing. Best keep out of the petty vet dramas.

You said this yourself:
I don't really get why Colorado needs to stay with the same old system, things can change and we have the population to experiment with.

That sounds like you want to change what has worked where every other world has failed in doing, keep regular battles going. As for talking to you, you seem to have made up your mind and I was just pointing out that the system you want to get rid of is the reason Colorado is still going. I know some say it is not organic but it is stable, which is the exact reason it has drawn so many players to begin with, while new worlds continue to fail.

Also I have no clue what you mean about kicking out townies for, being a third party alliance is fine as long as you and your townies are taking into account where help is needed in battles. As both main alliance rely on independents to shift when active goes up and down.

Also off primes during non event times are typically held in small forts, which Unity has refused to stick to, as off prime rarely sees enough players to fill both sides of a small. Also when Unity focused attacks on LL forts, they basically had overloaded with onliner attacks against heavy offliner defenses. Currently with attacking UR, the battles have been more even on onliners as UR has some north american players. But it was obvious no one in Unity cared if they went into a battle with 30 onliners against 5 online in defense. Not sure how that is fun, just shot the fish in the barrel and not worry about any last minute holds. In the end you have to care enough about battles not to stack the deck in your favor, as I know at least two towns were approached to join Unity, if they had joined, would have once again thrown a large online advantage to Unity, not sure why your leaders want no/little competition.

 

[badfl00d]

That sounds like you want to change what has worked

No, Willow. I just want change in general, something new would be nice but it can simply add-on and enhance what is existing. Veterans always so hesitant to change unless it's in their favor, of course. 10 years of the same old same old must've been fun, retirement must be a dream.

I was just pointing out that the system you want to get rid of is the reason Colorado is still going.

I have tried to make the point several times my goal isn't to throw out anything. I'm not even going to try and remake the point cause it will fall on deaf ears.

Also I have no clue what you mean about kicking out townies for, being a third party alliance is fine as long as you and your townies are taking into account where help is needed in battles. As both main alliance rely on independents to shift when active goes up and down.

In this case, I would abstain from fort battles completely and show no support what so ever and I'd be telling all of my townies not to participate and enjoy a happy life. See, the thing is, so far you guys have made me feel alienated and pushed away with all of this, I have to imagine others might just feel the same eventually. My warning to you; be very mindful of how you treat others.

kind of the common song being played nowadays...everyone says "bro we want the same thing, we have the same goal"...but nobody is actually doing anything for it to happen but the exact opposite

To be honest, I don't think anyone knows exactly what they want. I don't think we all want the same thing, boiled down I see it as this; some people want change to FF and some people greatly oppose changes because they hold "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" so close to their hearts. At the end of the day, Inno can impose changes and none of us could do jack shish about it but whine and complain until they change it back.

I wish heads would come to a consensus on this but I don't think there will be without Inno intervention and a 'supreme ruling' on matters. Our ol' friend Henry is a great mediator.