DeletedUser22685
The 24 hour minimum is what makes it a compromise. Non-duellers can remain under KO protection for an extra 24 hours, and in return a dueller only has to go without duelling for one day rather than two. People like me would've been mad if the protection had been raised to 72 and nothing else changed, whereas this way both parties are happy.
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Diggo11
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Same energy cost to self-KO as 15s job.
Deleted User - 1693871
This looks like a reasonable compromise that has taken various feedback into consideration. 
DeletedUser29831
Ah, of course.
Well, I can live with that.
Still think the numbers should be 48/72, just to give those putting up bounties the satisfaction knowing their target would be out of the picture for 48 hours. But I can't get everything my way.
Another fun point is you will never know when your last KO will be available again.
DeletedUser36559
These new changes look like a good balance and compromise for both duelers and non-duellers, looks good to me
DeletedUser34295
This looks like a reasonable compromise that has taken various feedback into consideration.
Yeah, that was exactly my though also. It's definitely an improvement from the first idea that was presented. Happy to see it being so
DeletedUser36011
I'm very much not in favour of the 24/48/72. Would rather it stay at 48 that that option because the KO thing is simple, but if you want a dueler to stop harassing you and you don't want to be on KO it kinda allows the dueler to bother you faster if you do manage to find a solution to their pester. Think along the lines, of duelers bullying duelers
DeletedUser26820
This compromise on dueler protection is brilliant and kudos to whoever came up with it.
If you don't want to duel and/or be dueled, you've been given an extra 24 hours of protection relative to now.
If you want to duel and/or be dueled but have been ko'ed, you can essentially get back to work 24 hours sooner.
That's brilliant.
DeletedUser
I suppose the dueller being bullied would have a choice between losing his protection at 24 hours when trying to bully workers or stay put till 72 hours like other workers and safe from the dueller targeting him.
A difficult choice if he's like the most duellers targeting players against he has reasonable assurance he'd win. But its a fair tradeoff. He can use that time to ponder over the bullying of workers
DeletedUser36011
I suppose the dueller being bullied would have a choice between losing his protection at 24 hours when trying to bully workers or stay put till 72 hours like other workers and safe from the dueller targeting him.
A difficult choice if he's like the most duellers targeting players against he has reasonable assurance he'd win. But its a fair tradeoff. He can use that time to ponder over the bullying of workers
You sorta missed the point. I understand yours in the sense of choices etc
Dueler A is strong, has almost no chance of losing against dueler B. Dueler A is repetedly hitting Dueler B every time he can, sometimes 10 times a day. Dueler B and some friends, they finally manage to knockout Dueler A albeit after several months of effort the guy is back in 24h. Seems like no reward for alot of effort
I only say this because I have been Dueler A(without getting knocked out
) and have bullied duelers into submission just because they are duelers and they've simply lost a will to duel or walked away.DeletedUser
Thanks to the tombola Winner sets, there will always be a player who is stronger than others, but as a percentage the tombola winners are minuscule. Admittedly they do have an advantage but the game is designed keeping in view the larger population.
Duels are a big part of the game and unavoidable. My personal advice to the dueler being bullied would be to avoid duels he cannot win. Ducking in Hotel is one of effective ways which is made more successful if followed by a taunting PM
Duels are a big part of the game and unavoidable. My personal advice to the dueler being bullied would be to avoid duels he cannot win. Ducking in Hotel is one of effective ways which is made more successful if followed by a taunting PM
Deleted User - 1693871
Tombola winner sets may be miniscule, but there are other high powered duelling weapons. When you add in buying of skill and attribute points, which some dedicated and deep-pocketed duellers do on a large scale, the scene is set for some quite extensive bullying even of good duelling builds without those advantages. Not surprising if some then walk away from duelling as PtyLtd mentions.
DeletedUser36559
All the new changes are good apart from this one, 3%? Again it will take a long time for them to move out of the range of non-duelers who keep getting it. The feedback has been saying 10%, 20% and even 50% but looks like they don't want to get rid of this style of gameplay.
Ripwise
Well-Known Member
It is still a move in the right direction and this is still tested in Beta so until final release on .net things might change.
Stay tuned
DeletedUser22685
I can live with 3%. A gradual change is better than none at all, anything too drastic and we might have the current group of 0 mots reacting similarly to the job KOers at the beginning of this thread.
DeletedUser34295
What would be so wrong with that? The job KOers didn't get their job KO back because they reacted as such, so why should we pet around with the 0 mot duellers? Now that's something I don't understand.
Diggo11
Well-Known Member
No, but there were substantial changes made to accommodate them.
DeletedUser
The bigger hit to zero mot dueling happened a few months ago when they separated player duel motivation and NPC duel motivation. There was a lot of complaining then and I know of a few zero mot duelers who seemed to go on permanent vacation mode after that. This was definitely a change that needed to be made.
Increasing the minimum duel motivation to 3% just adds to the effect of that previous change. Plus it is only in the beta stage at this point and I'm sure it is subject to adjustment if the developers don't feel it is working out as they expect.
The big benefit I like of the new system as it allows a player who is not dueling to have their duel level fall, so you are not permanently penalized with an increased duel level from winning a few dozen defensive duels.
DeletedUser22685
Job KOers got the duel protection system changed on a fundamental level, which was definitely not planned in the original update :razz:
Aside from that, even a small increase from 1% to 3% works in the favour of non-duellers. If any of them can still find reasons to complain, they need to pay a visit to Whiners Anonymous.