the reinstatement of "Chain gangs" to work on farms in place of illegal immigrants

DeletedUser

the title kind of says it all should chain gangs be reinstated to work on farms? maybe give farmers incentives to use these prisoners instead of using illegal immigrants. it would also help the farm labor crisis. farmers wouldn't have to pay these workers much because of the fact prisoners are provided all there needs in prison. they may even be able to pay them less then what they would an illegal immigrant because of the fact.
thoughts? anything to add?
 

DeletedUser

There's a few things here:

  1. Farmers in the U.S., for the most part, do not use "illegal immigrants." Instead, they hire "migrant workers," which are persons legally allowed to work in the United States.
  2. The bulk of businesses hiring illegal immigrants are government contractors. Go figure, aye?
  3. Work programs cost the government, and thus a "chain gang" would just be another government subsidizing program for farmers. Compensation, for any work performed by inmates, is Federally mandated and is initially applied to housing/restitution costs, which translates to the government losing money if they're paying the inmates.
  4. Prisoner abuse and injury has long been the problem with "chain ganging," which is another reason why it is not presently utilized in any U.S. State.
  5. Productivity of mandated chain gangs is marginal, at best, as there is no motivation for them to work. Motivation, via physical abuse, is illegal. Penalties, including isolation, are heavily restricted (to the point they are ineffective as a motivator, marginally effective as a deterrent to misbehavior) and there is insufficient isolation housing for such to be implemented on a large scale.
  6. The means to avoid participating in chain gangs, is to claim medical incapacity, which would (and has) result in a whole helluva lot of unnecessary doctors' visits, at our (government's) expense.
Volunteer work release programs are the modern alternative, which has private businesses employing inmates (instead of the Government having to pay). Additional government agents are hired to monitor and manage these inmates, who are housed outside of the prison system. Paychecks go directly to the correctional facility, which provides a portion of the income for the inmates, whilst the bulk of it is applied to housing/restitution and the additional expenses required for running such a program.

The major problem with volunteer work release programs is public exposure to inmates, who are openly released into the community. They are released from their housing units only for the purposes of going to work, working, and then returning to their housing units. However, such is sufficient for these persons to run illegal activities on the side, which is often the case. Nonetheless, these volunteer programs are available only for prisoners in good standing. Violate the rules just once, even for failing to return to the housing unit on time or getting late to work, results in being incarcerated back into the prison and never being allowed to return to the work release program.

A more stringent approach is needed, but you cannot force prisoners to work without some legal means to motivate them, and any approach needs to be cost effective. Chain gangs are "not" that means.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

DeletedUser

I'm just waiting for the day when machines will help automate things and eliminate this problem.
 

DeletedUser

Hehe, machines already automate. We run with that automation and produce more, but the need continues to rise, and thus automation of automation is now needed. I.e., we're in need of the elusive perpetual machine.
 

DeletedUser

Chain-gangs! Brilliant! Why don't you bring back slavery while your at it>
 

DeletedUser

Chain-gangs aren't neccessarily as regressive as slavery, but as pointed out there is no motivation. Plus if you watch what the kids in American schools do to their schools today. Imagine how much fun a farmer would have with his chain-gang.
 

DeletedUser22575

Colorado has started replacing migrant workers with inmates. How effective this will turn out to be remains to be seen.

http://www.correctionalnews.com/articles/2007/08/12/inmates-replace-migrant-workers-colorado-farms

Georgia wants to replace them with unemployed individuals who are on probation. You can bet this is not going to be effective, no way are they going to be able to fill the number of jobs available this way.

http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/gov-says-probationers-could-replace-migrant-worker/nCtyW/
 

DeletedUser

Half of the worlds layers are working in US. Half the worlds (non political) prison inmates are doing time in US. In the 1990;s California built 1 new university and 13 new prisons. This is big business! Follow the money. Government pays huge amount a year to private companies and private companies gets cheapest labor there is! Another brilliant way of shanneling publik funds in to privates pockets.
 
Top