Taxation

[DeletedUser]

Yep, wide open topic. Every country has taxation in one form or another. In the United States, taxation really started up during the World Wars and were intended to be temporary. Unfortunately, they stuck around and now you are taxed, double-taxed, triple-taxed and more. Thoughts?

 

[DeletedUser]

The goverment needs money and they will tax for it. I would rant how this country is driving its economy in a hole but no one wants to see that.

 

[DeletedUser]

my thoughts on it we should move back to how we were taxed under the Articles of Confederation. this would limit the federal governments power. it would also mean that there were only state taxes you had to pay and there was no federal tax.

isn't U.S history fun.

 

[DeletedUser]

That would be ideal.

 

[DeletedUser14029]

Tax in my opinion is fine as long as they are for the benefits of mankind
ie. Not for building up missiles but rather spend on Hospitals and other infrastructures

 

[DeletedUser]

They just raised our taxes in my commune last month . To increase its economy.

 

[DeletedUser]

my thoughts on it we should move back to how we were taxed under the Articles of Confederation. this would limit the federal governments power. it would also mean that there were only state taxes you had to pay and there was no federal tax.

isn't U.S history fun.

Yeah... Isn't US History fun? That didn't work remember?

 

[DeletedUser16008]

Visible taxes would be fine but its not just that.... its the stealth taxes I hate, VAT, house tax, road tax, capital gain tax, council tax, pension tax, Inheritance tax, national insurance tax, alcohol tax, tobacco tax, stamp duty tax the list goes on and on. All in all about 80% of your earnings goes in one form or another to tax... great if it were used for infrastructure, health and the sole good of the local economy ... but its not is it ? Most is thrown away on mad schemes and wars etc etc ...

Nope im not a fan of what they do with the taxes 90% of the time but hey the world is what it is and the madmen took over the asylum a long time ago, in fact they have always been there just in the last 50 or so years they figured out how to suck the population dry even more by hiding a lot of it ... but tax it is make no mistake.

 

[DeletedUser]

Not many replies here, surprisingly enough.

Any and every gouverment needs to tax its citizens.
They always have.

Whilst we may pay our taxes with varying degrees of happiness,
we all enjoy what our taxes helps paying for.

Law enforcement, schools, healthcare, infrastructure, etc etc etc.

I gladly pay my taxes, as I know that those whom came before me paid their
taxes, and their taxes paid for my education, my security, and my freedom.

 

[DeletedUser]

Currently in Ireland the goverment are making us pay increasing amounts of pay and also decreasing our income which is a bit annoying due to the fact it was their fault that we're in this fix.

Concerning taxation, tax on electricity and VAT is really affecting me at the moment in University. The only thing I can do is work and study at University at the same time which is new to me and is really wrecking my head.

And for JR:
In Ireland it's a different story. The Taoiseach of Ireland(Prime Minister sort.. Equal to US President) is being paid more than the US President and the Irish Ministry have two jets, when they have no need to have any since Aer Lingus offered to fly them for free. The goverment are being paid more, not less, so our extra taxes are going to the people who screwed up Ireland.

Civil services, schools, healthcare, law enforcement ect. is nice when we're paying a reasonable tax, but when you're paying extreme taxes, you feel a bit used.

 

[DeletedUser]

What is this rate which you consider extreme?

Also back up your claims about the payment levels and how they do not need those jets.

 

[DeletedUser]

Here's an example of overtax, which is quite common:

A developer pays taxes for the supplies needed to build a home, pays a tax for the purchase of the property (land), pays a business tax, and a few licenses and permits. The house is built and is put up for market. It is sold, and the person's purchasing it have to pay a tax. The developer has to pay a tax on the income received for the sale. The new owners have to pay an annual tax on the property, despite owning it. When they resell the house, they have to pay taxes on the income received. The next owner has to pay a tax on the purchase and must pay a property tax annually for a home they own.

With all the taxes, licenses and permits, the government makes $1,200,000 in 20 years on a piece of property that retails for $200,000.

Here's another example:

A farmer pays taxes on the cows in his farm. He then pays a tax for selling his cow. As well, he has to have a license to have a farm. The person who owns the cow, butchers and skins it, and of course he has to have a permit to do so. He then sells the meat and the skin, paying taxes on each. The person who takes the skin, makes a leather coat out of it. He pays for business/manufacturers licenses. He then pays taxes when he sells the coat (income tax). The person who purchases the coat has to pay a tax to purchase it (sale tax). If the person decides to resell the coat, he must pay a tax (income tax) and the purchaser must pay a tax (sales tax). It is sold 5 times, each time both parties end up paying taxes on the transaction.

All in all, the government makes a whopping $600 on taxes, permits, and licenses on a coat that initially sold for $200. And while the coat depreciates in value with every resell, the government continues to get a cut.

 

[DeletedUser]

Here's an example of overtax, which is quite common:

A developer pays taxes for the supplies needed to build a home, pays a tax for the purchase of the property (land), pays a business tax, and a few licenses and permits. The house is built and is put up for market. It is sold, and the person's purchasing it have to pay a tax. The developer has to pay a tax on the income received for the sale. The new owners have to pay an annual tax on the property, despite owning it. When they resell the house, they have to pay taxes on the income received. The next owner has to pay a tax on the purchase and must pay a property tax annually for a home they own.

With all the taxes, licenses and permits, the government makes $1,200,000 in 20 years on a piece of property that retails for $200,000.

like the example but I would have added in the 35%-55% inheritance tax in their (government makes money off someone who has died)
I would just like to add that the inheritance tax is also a big double dip by the government because the money is double taxed. my mother who works for a Lawyer had a client come in who inherited about 15 million from her mother who died tried taking about 8 million from her already taxed money.

 

[DeletedUser]

Any and every gouverment needs to tax its citizens.
They always have.

This is simply not true. During Thomas Jeffersons presidency there were no taxes. Thomas Jefferson also said that "during every generation there needs to be a revolution." Our revolution is long overdue. We as a people have become complacent, apathetic and no longer capable of thinking clearly. We have become drunk with convinience and luxury and willing to turn a blind eye to the real problems of the modern world. To get rid of tax we need to get rid of the conviniences we have come to depend upon.
If you take a look at the amish peoples and how they govern themselves you will see that their way of life is conducted in a manner which has no need for tax. But that way of life will never be accepted with out some outside influence because we have become a society full of addictions. A simple life in harmony with nature is the only way to be free of taxation and many of the other problems that plague our modern world.

Extreme views? Perhaps. But in these complex times extreme views are the only thing that is going to heal the damage that has been done. Besides ideas like these were at one time not so extreme.

 

[DeletedUser]

A simple life in harmony with nature is the only way to be free of taxation and many of the other problems that plague our modern world.

Extreme views? Perhaps. But in these complex times extreme views are the only thing that is going to heal the damage that has been done. Besides ideas like these were at one time not so extreme.

Then what are you doing on the internets sir?

 

[DeletedUser]

Then what are you doing on the internets sir?

Very good point. I had thought about that whilest writing my above post. Three reasons I guess. 1. Because even though I don't necessarly agree with the modern world, I am just as trapped in it as the rest of society. 2. To survive in the modern world the internet is almost required. 3. Because I am addicted too. ( I am human after all.) Just because I see the problem does not mean I am free of it.

In my defense though I do live as green as I am able to and constantly work towards freeing myself from the clutches of consumerism.

 

[DeletedUser]

Very good point. I had thought about that whilest writing my above post. Three reasons I guess. 1. Because even though I don't necessarly agree with the modern world, I am just as trapped in it as the rest of society. 2. To survive in the modern world the internet is almost required. 3. Because I am addicted too. ( I am human after all.) Just because I see the problem does not mean I am free of it.

In my defense though I do live as green as I am able to and constantly work towards freeing myself from the clutches of consumerism.

Now you are rationalizing your hypocrisy.

If you truly want to live as one with nature, there is nothing stopping you except yourself.

 

[DeletedUser]

Now you are rationalizing your hypocrisy.

If you truly want to live as one with nature, there is nothing stopping you except yourself.

Perhaps you are right. Where and how to get food when living in nature and apart from society could be quite the topic. There has to be a transitional phase. That's sort of where I am in life rignt now.

 

[DeletedUser]

Yeah... Isn't US History fun? That didn't work remember?

Obviously you have selective memory. Not everything in the Articles was wrong. The founding fathers had some good ideas there. However, there were some problems; so they wrote something better. I don't know if you know this, but the Constitution originally did not have the Sixteenth Amendment. That's why its called a freakin "amendment."

Whilst we may pay our taxes with varying degrees of happiness,
we all enjoy what our taxes helps paying for.

Law enforcement, schools, healthcare, infrastructure, etc etc etc.

I gladly pay my taxes, as I know that those whom came before me paid their
taxes, and their taxes paid for my education, my security, and my freedom.

Good Lord. What are you? The freakin Pastor of the Church of the Holy IRS? I almost just puked.

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I know that Obama is not your President, but I think that you should be able to comprehend my point.

During Thomas Jeffersons presidency there were no taxes. Thomas Jefferson also said that "during every generation there needs to be a revolution." Our revolution is long overdue. We as a people have become complacent, apathetic and no longer capable of thinking clearly. We have become drunk with convinience and luxury and willing to turn a blind eye to the real problems of the modern world. To get rid of tax we need to get rid of the conviniences we have come to depend upon.
If you take a look at the amish peoples and how they govern themselves you will see that their way of life is conducted in a manner which has no need for tax. But that way of life will never be accepted with out some outside influence because we have become a society full of addictions. A simple life in harmony with nature is the only way to be free of taxation and many of the other problems that plague our modern world.

It is not extreme to ask that our government stop spending money on crap. Our government is excessive and does not need to tax us the way it does.

However, I don't need to be Amish to be simple. I don't need to live a bassackwards life.

One tax that really hacks me off is the wheel tax. Who the heck do they think they are taxing me for my wheels?!

 

[DeletedUser]

First off I'd like to congratulate you for invoking Godwins law in the 19th post of the thread. Well done! In short; Congratz, you fail!

Good Lord. What are you? The freakin Pastor of the Church of the Holy IRS? I almost just puked. I can just see you now: toasting the SS on March 15 and raising your right hand!

What exactly do you think taxes are going towards?
I got loads of complaints when it comes to taxation over here, but if a gouverment
is to provide services to its citizens it needs revenue.

Perhaps things are different in a Plutocracy, where the needs of the average citizen is not part of the equation.

I know that Obama is not your President, but I think that you should be able to comprehend my point.

Indeed he is not, but I applaud him for his efforts, and I'm not sure I you understand your argument yourself.

Did you have a point other than making a ludicrus comparison?

Personally I find it funny how the same people that rage over Obama being socialist
also display him with the hitler-moustache and the swastika.

Perhaps you should try again, this time appeal less to emotion and more to logic, hmm?

It is not extreme to ask that our government stop spending money on crap. Our government is excessive and does not need to tax us the way it does.

Define crap. What would be the best way to spend money?
What would be a correct taxation?

However, I don't need to be Amish to be simple.

Obviously not.