Pascal's Wager

DeletedUser

Pascal's wager, in a nutshell is this:

Paraphrased by Dan Brown said:
God can't be proved. But if God exists, the believer gains everything (heaven) and the unbeliever loses everything (hell). If God doesn't exist, the believer loses nothing and the unbeliever gains nothing. There is therefore everything to gain and nothing to lose by believing in God.

Is this a good line of reasoning?
 

nashy19

Nashy (as himself)
You would have to decide which god or being gives the most benefits and follow that one.

Can you really make yourself believe for this reason through I form of self brainwashing? I know it's been tried but I don't believe it actually works. Other than that you can't choose to believe something and I think it would be pretty hard for a person to knowingly choose to be ignorant too.

God would know if you really believe or not, believing in god yet trying to trick him(it?) is contradictory.

Then there's the potential of this world (the one we know to be real).
 

DeletedUser

Yeah, I wouldn't run too far with that Celxius. Since 2006, New Scientist Magazine has been traveling further and further into sensationalism and articles on scientific principles/discoveries written by people with absolutely no scientific background whatsoever. If you can find an alternative source, I would prefer it.
 

DeletedUser

They even said in this article, that it's merely an idea, not even a theory. And that they don't have any proof at all. So it's very far from a "nice pile of evidence".
 

DeletedUser

As John F. Kennedy said : Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

And i say : Ask not what God can do for you, ask what you can do for God. :)
 

DeletedUser

As John F. Kennedy said : Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

And i say : Ask not what God can do for you, ask what you can do for God. :)

The difference being that we have good reason to believe that our country exists...
 

DeletedUser

You would have to decide which god or being gives the most benefits and follow that one.

I think you hit on the biggest problem with Pascal's Wager. Pascal's Wager assumes that either the specific "God" of the believer that proposes the argument is true, or no "God" or set of gods is true. There is, however, no reason to narrow down the possibilities to that.

What if the "God" that is actually true is one that no human has ever heard of and prefers that we would not believe in any "God" or set of gods rather than believing in a false "God" or set of gods? Then the believer is damned and the unbeliever, rewarded...
 

DeletedUser

The difference being that we have good reason to believe that our country exists...

Wrong, we dont need any reason to believe our country exist or not.
It does exist even though we dont believe :D

Right, we can never compare Country with God :laugh:
 

DeletedUser

Wrong, we dont need any reason to believe our country exist or not.
It does exist even though we dont believe :D

Right, we can never compare Country with God :laugh:

False.
One can compare it.

It all depends on how one defines the country.
 

DeletedUser13682

A country is to God as a building is to a foundation. Does that work?
 

DeletedUser

False.
One can compare it.

It all depends on how one defines the country.

Right, One can compare it.
"Never" can "One" compare with it.

It all depends on how "one" defines "one" and "Never" and "God" and so on...:D

So False for False "we can never compare Country with God " = Right :)

:blink:
 

DeletedUser

Many people belive in countries that no longer "exists".
Then there are countires wich exists, yet are not recognized, thus in a fashion they are non-existent.

If a man is "the country", then the man can be "god".
Thus comparison is viable.
 

DeletedUser

Using Whaleking's logic, we should "Ask not what the Great Marshmallow can do for you, ask what you can do for Great Marshmallow."

Or, you can insert any other unbelievable object of your choice in place of Great Marshmallow if you want...
 

DeletedUser

I am glad that you used an "If" sentence :)
So you are not really comparing, you are imagining,
thank God for giving you that genius :D
 

DeletedUser

I am glad that you used an "If" sentence :)
So you are not really comparing, you are imagining,
thank God for giving you that genius :D

Makes me smile seeing you thank your imaginary friend like that.

The word 'if' was used for a reason.
Think it over some, it might dawn on you yet.
 

DeletedUser

Woo, using Adelei's logic and understanding

we can say " Ask not what the Great Marshmallow can do for Cucumber, ask what cucumber can do for Great Marshmallow.

Or, you can insert any other unbelievable object of your choice in place of Cucumber if you want...

Yes you can :D It is your freedom.

Makes me smile seeing you thank your imaginary friend like that.

The word 'if' was used for a reason.
Think it over some, it might dawn on you yet.

So , you finally need to define the "IF" you use , right ?
We can forsee we must get to understand all the words we use,
and what is the definetion of all those words to prove what we said :laugh:

Is that necessary ? I bet you know what i mean :)
 
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DeletedUser

So , you finally need to define the "IF" you use , right ?
We can forsee we must get to understand all the words we use,
and what is the definetion of all those words to prove what we said :laugh:

Is that necessary ? I bet you know what i mean :)

I know why I uesd 'if', and I used it for a good reason.
What you do now is either a display of stupidity or trolling.

The reason for the wording is obvious.

Do you really need to borrow the spoon I usualy reserve for Gizmo?
 

DeletedUser

Pascal tells it like it is. Silly atheist, just follow the Bible and you won't have to suffer eternity in hell.
 
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