The Peacful Muslim Religion

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Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
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So did you have a point or are you just blatantly hate-mongering?
 

DeletedUser

No he just managed to quote something without bothering to come up with a meaningful answer.
 

DeletedUser22575

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS THE PEACFUL MUSLIM RELIGION?


So did you have a point or are you just blatantly hate-mongering?

blatantly hate mongering, it is what he does best.
 

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Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS THE PEACFUL MUSLIM RELIGION?

The funny thing is, shall we quote the Bible and its violent verses?

Numbers 31:17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.




Psalms 137:9Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks.



Exodus 21:17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.



2 Chronicles 15:13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.




Deuteronomy 22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; 24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS THE PEACEFUL CHRISTIAN RELIGION?

 
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The funny thing is, shall we quote the Bible and its violent verses?

Numbers 31:17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.




Psalms 137:9Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks.



Exodus 21:17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.



2 Chronicles 15:13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.




Deuteronomy 22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; 24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS THE PEACEFUL CHRISTIAN RELIGION?


sooo you can take quotes out of context and references to LAWS of the land at the time


and compare them to orders from there GOD to kill all non beleivers
 

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sooo you can take quotes out of context and references to LAWS of the land at the time


and compare them to orders from there GOD to kill all non beleivers

One might accuse you of the same crime, that is, if you were to employ critical thinking skills.

Out of context, you say...how very interesting...

I'm sorry, but I truly pity you.
 

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One might accuse you of the same crime, that is, if you were to employ critical thinking skills.

Out of context, you say...how very interesting...

I'm sorry, but I truly pity you.
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That makes two of us.

Honestly, I didn't bother quoting violent bible-verses.
It's too easy.
 
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Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS THE PEACFUL MUSLIM RELIGION?

So did you have a point or are you just blatantly hate-mongering?

If theses verses were in the Bible, you would DEMAND an answer from myself explaining them.

the fact extremists who were Muslims, but were not doing it for their God created 9/11.

Are you insane? Of course the terrorists on 9/11 did what they did for Allah. If you could ask them, they would tell you so. THEY WERE EXTREMISTS.

However, back onto the topic of the thread, I have no problem with the building of the mosque. There are mosques and churches in NYC, where they are makes no difference.

The funny thing is, shall we quote the Bible and its violent verses?

Numbers 31:17 - 18Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

This was God's command for ONE city. Not the entire world. Israel was at war with this city. In war, you kill people, if you haven't noticed. Whether you obliterate them all with the sword or with an atomic bomb, it makes no difference.


Psalms 137:9Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks.

This verses is a warning to Israel. Israel's pagan enemies would be glad to smash their babies against rocks. I can understand your posting the other verses, but this one is ridiculous.


Exodus 21:17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

Obviously, this is going to start a death penalty debate. I believe that the death penalty is acceptable.


2 Chronicles 15:13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.


This was an oath that the Israelites decided to take. This was for the sons of Israel only. Israel was a theocracy. This was not a command for the entire world, only Israel.


Deuteronomy 22:23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; 24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife

Again, a death penalty debate.

Notice that the verses from the Koran apply to the entire world. None of the Bible verses do.
 

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Wow, what a bunch of hypocritical crap. Spider, you say he pulled those lines out of context, but that's exactly what you did. In fact, you not only pulled it out of context, you got it wrong, which means you pulled it off some hate site and didn't even bother to verify any of it.

First off, let me make it abundantly clear, I don't advocate any religion, nor am I attempting to defend the Muslim faith. I'm just trying to make sure honesty is presented here...

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
This is in reference to those who attempt to "oppress" the worshiping of Allah. It was also pulled out of a series of scriptures that are rather telling. Just before 2:191 is 2:190 ---
2:190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
And following that is:
2:192 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2:193 And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.

2:195 And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good.
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
9:123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
The context for this one is a bit difficult to discern, but it is in reference to those who attempt to stop you from spreading the word, per se. Again, fighting oppression.

“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
As you can see by the writing here, there's something missing. I.e., it was taken out of context and is in reference to Pagans with whom an alliance is severed or ended.

“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
3:85 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
Yeah, so... pretty much the same thing as in the Bible.

“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30
9:30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
Interesting how "perverts" came into your definition. Whoever took liberty in the translation obviously took perversion of word to mean sexual pervert. Anyway, this is the same sort of statement made in the Bible.

“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
5:33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
Once again, the truth is revealed. This is clearly indicating the punishment that should be doled out to those who wage war against them. So, once again, a false translation presented by our illustrious Spider. Oh what webs of deceit you weave.

“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
22:19 These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water.
And again, out of context. This is in reference to the "Day of Judgment" and what Allah will do to those who do not follow the faith. Basically, it's talking about Judgment Day, Hell, and Damnation.

“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
8:65 O Apostle! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
So, how do you translate "without understanding" to "stupid?" Anyway, this is, just like everything else, posed out of context. This section is about war. In it, it is discussing things in both a historical context and in an actions context. I.e., what you should do in time of war. Here's a line from just before that above scripture
8:61 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
8:62 Should they intend to deceive thee,- verily Allah sufficeth thee: He it is That hath strengthened thee with His aid and with (the company of) the Believers;
8:63 And (moreover) He hath put affection between their hearts: not if thou hadst spent all that is in the earth, couldst thou have produced that affection, but Allah hath done it: for He is Exalted in might, Wise.
8:64 O Apostle! sufficient unto thee is Allah,- (unto thee) and unto those who follow thee among the Believers.
Basically, it's rallying up to a morale boost.

“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
3:28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
Spider, your version is a little off. It's basically saying don't choose non-believers "instead of" believers. It does not say you cannot have both as friends.

Btw, this is also something pretty much pushed in the Christian faith and definitely pushed in the Jewish faith.

“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
In this one, Spider, your version is clearly distorted. It's a comment posed by Allah to his Angels, and is followed with:
8:13 This because they contended against Allah and His Apostle: If any contend against Allah and His Apostle, Allah is strict in punishment.
Gee, sort of like God, aye? Or maybe you kinda forgot that whole killing of men, women and children thing...

“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
Again, about being oppressed... and it's interestingly followed by:
8:61 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
Anyway, I end with this entertaining bit of irony:
Qur'an 22:17 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.
http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/022.asp
Bible 2 Peter 3:7 (New International Version)
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Peter+3:6-8&version=NIV
 

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The funny thing is, shall we quote the Bible and its violent verses?

Numbers 31:17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.




Psalms 137:9Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks.



Exodus 21:17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.



2 Chronicles 15:13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.




Deuteronomy 22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; 24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS THE PEACEFUL CHRISTIAN RELIGION?

Both books have violent verses, but you are ALL taking them out of context. I have no idea about the Koran, but I would have to say at first glance you are just copying and pasting a few verses and not looking into the context. Same with dcginc.
Read more than just that one verse, and then talk. I am not muslim myself, but Christian, but I have to say that you are both taking everything way out of context.
 
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The funny thing is, shall we quote the Bible and its violent verses?

Numbers 31:17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.




Psalms 137:9Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks.



Exodus 21:17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.



2 Chronicles 15:13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.




Deuteronomy 22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; 24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS THE PEACEFUL CHRISTIAN RELIGION?


may I ask why you only take quotes from the "Tanakh" (old Testament), which are the Jewish books, and not the New Testament? considering the new testament is more of a "CHRISTIAN" handbook. not to discredit the Tanakh or anything but there were some laws changed in the new Testament.
 

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may I ask why you only take quotes from the "Tanakh" (old Testament), which are the Jewish books, and not the New Testament? considering the new testament is more of a "CHRISTIAN" handbook. not to discredit the Tanakh or anything but there were some laws changed in the new Testament.

He was trying to make a point. Taking quotes out of religious books and using them out of contexts is no way to win an argument.
 

DeletedUser

may I ask why you only take quotes from the "Tanakh" (old Testament), which are the Jewish books, and not the New Testament? considering the new testament is more of a "CHRISTIAN" handbook. not to discredit the Tanakh or anything but there were some laws changed in the new Testament.

maybe you could explain Matthew 5:17 then?

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill."
 

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maybe you could explain Matthew 5:17 then?

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill."

it depends which meaning of "fulfill" or "plerosai" in Greek it could mean any of these
http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/gospels/matt517.htm

1. Jesus came to accomplish or obey the Holy Scriptures,

2. to bring out the full meaning of the Holy Scriptures,

3. to bring those Scriptures to their intended completion,

4. to emphasize that the Scriptures point to him as Messiah and are fulfilled in his salvation work.
I know which one you are thinking of. he could have brought those Scriptures to their intended completion, as in change some of the laws like they were intended to be and take out the laws that did entail said quotes from the Tanakh
 

DeletedUser

may I ask why you only take quotes from the "Tanakh" (old Testament), which are the Jewish books, and not the New Testament? considering the new testament is more of a "CHRISTIAN" handbook. not to discredit the Tanakh or anything but there were some laws changed in the new Testament.
Are you aware of what Islam thinks of "Jesus Christ?"

Why don't you tell us what Islam thinks of Jesus, without googling.
 

DeletedUser

Are you aware of what Islam thinks of "Jesus Christ?"

Why don't you tell us what Islam thinks of Jesus, without googling.

im aware thank you very much. they see him as one of the great prophets along with Abraham.

but your question is irreverent.
 

DeletedUser

What I find funny is all this "defense of the Bible" whilst completely ignoring the main reason this thread was started in the first place, which was that of spider bashing the Qur'an, painting them out of context. My post clearly demonstrates spider was way out of line, but instead of any of the Bible toters confirming the wrongness presented by spider, we are witnessing ducking and dodging whilst attempting to defend the Bible, when it was the Qur'an that was attacked...

I love religious folk and their cute little blinders.
 

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What I find funny is all this "defense of the Bible" whilst completely ignoring the main reason this thread was started in the first place, which was that of spider bashing the Qur'an, painting them out of context. My post clearly demonstrates spider was way out of line, but instead of any of the Bible toters confirming the wrongness presented by spider, we are witnessing ducking and dodging whilst attempting to defend the Bible, when it was the Qur'an that was attacked...

I love religious folk and their cute little blinders.
no the simple fact is YOU started this thread breaking it off from a post in another thread leaving the entire thing otu of context

when i posted that comment it was in direct relation to the mosqe debate after a dozen or so posts of people rambling on about how PEACEFULL islam is it was posted as a stark but RELEVENT counterpoint to there specific statements but you moved it all here completely out of context and weather intentional or not seem to try to paint me as some hatemonger

my point was simple clear examples of how islam was as "peacefull and beningn" as they were making it out to be
 
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