DeletedUser27501
Since I play the west nothing good dropped from premium chest i think i opened 10 so far.
Would premium players pay 1500 nugg for this kind of reward?
Since I play the west nothing good dropped from premium chest i think i opened 10 so far.
Would premium players pay 1500 nugg for this kind of reward?
DeletedUser36979
No I would spend real money on chests.
I wouldn't spend bonds on the chests either, there is just too much junk in them
I wouldn't spend bonds on the chests either, there is just too much junk in them
delldell56
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well, i am a practical girl so i don't buy chests. but i got a premium chest last year, precisely for the valentine's event, and there was a howdah inside. you need to understand that chests are pretty much a lottery: you know it takes a lot of luck to get the big prize, but you also know no ticket, no chance to get a reward. unless you are really lucky, chances are that you spend years buying a ticket and will never get a prize, or you get the small consolation prizes once in a while. last year, i only got the premium chest on 3 worlds; 2 had crap inside, literally, and one contained that howdah. by the end of the year, there was another event that had a premium chest as a reward and i got it in all my worlds. 7 premium chests, and nothing good inside (things like 3rd part of a note, for example). it's called odds and luck. and hope.
ultimately, it's your choice to buy or pass, knowing beforehand that you're likely going to find junk inside, but hoping to hit the jackpot. isn't that what lotteries and gambling are about?
ultimately, it's your choice to buy or pass, knowing beforehand that you're likely going to find junk inside, but hoping to hit the jackpot. isn't that what lotteries and gambling are about?
DeletedUser36559
As the saying goes only spend money you can afford to lose. Try and set a money limit if you do spend. If you lose your set money limit and then try to win some of it back by buying even more chests, then you haven't really set a money limit. Chasing your losses by buying more chests will usually just lead to bigger and bigger losses.
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Pankreas PorFavor
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I know it's off-topic, but general impression of the majority of posts in this forum are - I am not spending any money on this game, but, please Innogames, can you advertise this game more, get more players, make it more interesting, blablabla. If you were Innogames, what would you do? I am not saying that Inno isn't doing it's share of silly moves and mistakes, but overall, I don't like the attitude of the majority of the player base. Less effort, more rewards - that's just not sustainable.
DeletedUser30343
I think the point of the complaint may have been missed. Sure the purchasing of chests is a lottery, and as such, operate on random chances to obtain any item within its parameters. That being the case, there is a more likely chance to obtain a piece of junk than there is to obtain something worthwhile. That particular mechanic is fair, and it should probably remain.
However, in defense of the OPs argument, these chests cost 1500 nuggets, which means purchasing them with real currency would equate to roughly $30 USD for that chance to win something nice.
So his question really boils down to: "Would you pay that much real currency for such a high probability to obtain complete crap?" Most gambling establishments would give one better odds for their money.
I'm not sure there is a good fix for this since in all actuality there is probably enough people paying that much money for those chests to warrant such a lofty price.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest (A thing is worth only what someone else will pay for it.)
However, in defense of the OPs argument, these chests cost 1500 nuggets, which means purchasing them with real currency would equate to roughly $30 USD for that chance to win something nice.
So his question really boils down to: "Would you pay that much real currency for such a high probability to obtain complete crap?" Most gambling establishments would give one better odds for their money.
I'm not sure there is a good fix for this since in all actuality there is probably enough people paying that much money for those chests to warrant such a lofty price.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest (A thing is worth only what someone else will pay for it.)
delldell56
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both, mickey and retsoor are right. a thing is worth only what someone else will pay for it, and only spend the money you can afford to lose. and yeah, pank is right as well, people expect bigger and better rewards without spending a thing.
with that said, i know it's very frustrating to spend anything, call it nuggets, bonds or in game money, just to get junk. but that's how it works and we all know beforehand that our chances to get junk are like 99.999999999 to 0.000000001 to get something really good. i compared it to a lottery, and that could go for as little as 50 cents per ticket, to 20 bucks, to $200 if you are buying a bunch of them. your chances per ticket remain the same. then take it one notch up, when you bet in horse races (something i don't do either, so don't expect me to understand the system) you can bet $1 or $1 million, depending on where you are placing your bet, for the same horse and the same odds. just because your bet is higher it doesn't change the odds, just gives you a better chance for a better reward or a better return. same way, if you have a million to spend in a casino or the tracks, and you are betting it to a clear favorite that will pay you 50% per dollar spent, then you know beforehand that you are about to lose 50% of your money even if you win; and if you are aiming for a surprising winner, you know you will hit a huge jackpot if you win, but your chances to win are minimal.
when you buy a premium chest you are not placing a bid for one unique prize. you are only narrowing your chances to get items of much lower value. you are paying so the junk you get from it is of better quality, instead of some fancy pants (that you would get in steel boxes) or something black (iron chests); and with that, your chances at hitting the jackpot improve as well. and yes, you are also paying for a chance at the jackpot, which you wouldn't get in wooden, iron clad, steel or precious chests.
i have crappy luck, that's why i wouldn't pay for what will likely be junk. that's, however, not the opinion of many others who not only buy chests with real money but also get great things in them.
with that said, i know it's very frustrating to spend anything, call it nuggets, bonds or in game money, just to get junk. but that's how it works and we all know beforehand that our chances to get junk are like 99.999999999 to 0.000000001 to get something really good. i compared it to a lottery, and that could go for as little as 50 cents per ticket, to 20 bucks, to $200 if you are buying a bunch of them. your chances per ticket remain the same. then take it one notch up, when you bet in horse races (something i don't do either, so don't expect me to understand the system) you can bet $1 or $1 million, depending on where you are placing your bet, for the same horse and the same odds. just because your bet is higher it doesn't change the odds, just gives you a better chance for a better reward or a better return. same way, if you have a million to spend in a casino or the tracks, and you are betting it to a clear favorite that will pay you 50% per dollar spent, then you know beforehand that you are about to lose 50% of your money even if you win; and if you are aiming for a surprising winner, you know you will hit a huge jackpot if you win, but your chances to win are minimal.
when you buy a premium chest you are not placing a bid for one unique prize. you are only narrowing your chances to get items of much lower value. you are paying so the junk you get from it is of better quality, instead of some fancy pants (that you would get in steel boxes) or something black (iron chests); and with that, your chances at hitting the jackpot improve as well. and yes, you are also paying for a chance at the jackpot, which you wouldn't get in wooden, iron clad, steel or precious chests.
i have crappy luck, that's why i wouldn't pay for what will likely be junk. that's, however, not the opinion of many others who not only buy chests with real money but also get great things in them.
DeletedUser22685
The chest used to be worth it when it was the only way to get a number of rare and useful named items. Now that we have such an abundance of shinies in-game as well as all the tombola gear that makes them pretty much useless for anything other than collection purposes, the only items worth getting from a premium chest are the Howdah and GT.
1500 nuggets is probably a bit steep now, and I don't know if anyone would ever put 1500 bonds towards it.
1500 nuggets is probably a bit steep now, and I don't know if anyone would ever put 1500 bonds towards it.
DeletedUser34408
I opened 2 up today, Stand Waties Boots and Crazy Horse Indian Jacket about 30 to 40K total), amazing how many people have received similar REGULATED useless drops from premium chests from this current event, class act, incorporate the chests into the event then regulate the drops, full of integrity.
DeletedUser35520
well once they changed the chest contents some time ago, i think most stopped buying them. Events like this are the primary source now. 3 years ago, you could grab a GT or Howdah like 1 in 10 premiums, which is expensive, but there was nothing close to their power. You would still get crap items like Calamity Jane's belt, but the items still had use because they were limited in number. Now with tombola items and set bonuses, and the contents having changed, its not worth the cost at all. Even steel chests I would argue are not worth the price, since the majority of their contents now drop from jobs and are worthless other than to collectors. Same issue with the unique chests. Those items were obsolete a few tombolas after their release.
When they do update and balance chests, it would be nice to see some transparency. It doesn't have to be an odds rate, but at least a list of the items contained in each. Most had/have no idea that you could get Geronimo's headband from junk chests or that it has since been removed.
When they do update and balance chests, it would be nice to see some transparency. It doesn't have to be an odds rate, but at least a list of the items contained in each. Most had/have no idea that you could get Geronimo's headband from junk chests or that it has since been removed.
DeletedUser34408
I don't so much have a problem with the chests and their price, my concern is only a few selected items contained within them that you can find working and/or in regular abundance at the market for next to nothing (Stand Waties Boots, Crazy Horse Indian Jacket, John Jacob's Shoes, Benjamin's Valenki's and a few others), many of the other items inside have at least some resale value and are the only avenue to obtain collection pieces which is fair enough.
+1 Rick, some transparency would be good, I think even Coca-Cola has to advertise on their cans/bottles how much aspartame is contained in their diet soda's these days
+1 Rick, some transparency would be good, I think even Coca-Cola has to advertise on their cans/bottles how much aspartame is contained in their diet soda's these days
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delldell56
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i won't argue with rick. the man spends loads of money in this game to know better than most of us how these things work, so that's one opinion i believe inno should listen to, especially because he's not even whining.
DeletedUser35520
lol no im not going to whine about it. Any game is worth the cost if you enjoy it, but when it comes to chests and their value, they have only dropped over the last three years to the point I wouldn't use nuggets or bonds on them. Inno tends to literally shoot themselves in the financial foot for one source of income, being tombolas, but they need to find a balance that makes shop items worth purchasing again. It would increase their revenue and the player experience. All of those sets and chests are worthless unless a new world opens before an event happens, which personally I find is the best time to play. Petticoats on the battlefields and duelers wearing Frank Butler shorts... I am all for them making money, but would much rather it come by means of avatar pics and items or name changes, a class change potion would bring in heaps, etc vs shoving more items down our throats that we are not going to use or that obsolete what we already have. Let's hope this item upgrade feature comes along fast and maybe revamps the old stuff, though I strongly fear it will spread to tombola items as well. Making us want 3 of every new thing that comes out means a lot more green for them
DeletedUser22685
This is more of a discussion than a question, so I'm moving this thread to the Saloon.
DeletedUser35533
not right now. back in the day maybe but prem chest now has less value than the ones with 200 new items. ?Im not rich so I have opened 5 prem chests tops and never gotten anything over 10k.unique chest is more rewarding.
DeletedUser
I view a chest like the lottery. This means that I would have some luck when I open my items. However, right now the main issue as to why these are less common and not extreme rare, (in my opinion) is due to the new named sets that come from the new events, such as the bartender and the Romeo set. I am not saying that this is a bad thing, but on Dakota I got a Natty Machete that was valuable a couple of years ago, now it is worth around 25K on a good day. My suggestion is to add some of the named sets that have been given out during these previous events so that there is an equal distribution of rare equipment.
DeletedUser29831
Well, last premium chest I opened, I got a Golden buffalo. Guess this a rare item.
DeletedUser35520
well the venomous snake was just released and it looks like most of them prefer captivity... Seeing how fast DOI flew off the shelves and how these are just sitting... I'm shocked. It says a lot about what players think in regards to the cost and mainly to the reward, long term. Perhaps Inno burned some credit card bridges with the DOI or all of the tombolas. i'm sure they will sell out but they may want to rethink items like this in the future. Things like, reduce the cost, increase the stat reward, offer some sort of guarantee in regards to further release or how quickly it will just sit in the inventory...
Let's hope the Church of the Brown Tie encourages snake handling...
P.S.- knock 500 nugs off the price to move the remaining "Monkey Fighting snakes" and give us good loyal customers a slight refund (aka idiots who bought these "Monday through Friday snakes", sigh...)
Let's hope the Church of the Brown Tie encourages snake handling...
P.S.- knock 500 nugs off the price to move the remaining "Monkey Fighting snakes" and give us good loyal customers a slight refund (aka idiots who bought these "Monday through Friday snakes", sigh...)
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DeletedUser34408
Combined with the DOI the Venomous Snake and DOI will make a fairly lethal combination and there was talk of making the Venomous Snake upgradable in some capacity.
Snr Sarg
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I think many people have had their fill of the constant barrage of nugget gear, added to by the recent price increases. 2400 nuggets is £40/50 EUR (which is a crap exchange rate too , 50 EUR should be £35), that's a shed load of cash for ONE item for ONE game world. I can go buy a whole PS3/PS4/PC game for that and it'll last me several months.
Plus that the item in question is only of any use to a fort fighter or adventurer, but completely and utterly useless to a quester or dueler.