Toughness/reflex and the uber-melee fighter

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I was once involved in a couple of week war with a resistance dueler, when I was an aim/dodge/shooter. The other player was a few levels below me, but nothing significant, I was 52-55 they were 48-51. They get lucky about once in 5 attempts and won, but they never KO'd me (I had to head to bed afterwards mind). I never KO'd them either, but here's a hint, just leave your aim on Headshots :)

8 head strikes to 2 body strikes generally meant I won.

Also.. Ever see a resiliance dueler with gun? Nope. Toughness = cool. Picking Agaves, Evangelising & Robbing Graves are all worth doing for different reasons and all require that skill. Other than Rafting Wood I havent come across a decent XP job that requires reflex but I'm sure there is one.


I wouldn't recommend aiming just for headshots on all resistance duelers as you are making an assumption all are build the same way which could prove very costly
 

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The introduction of forts will help balance out the number of players using this build. Reflex and Toughness are both useless in a fort battle, but Aim and Dodge are both useful, hence an Aim/Dodge based fighter will be able to be effective in fort battles as well.


Again it depends on how they are skilled as a resistance fighter, they will automatical have stamina which an aim / dodge dueler wont have.

then its just a questiong about how the rest of thier skill points are distributed
 

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Don't mean to boast, sorry.. But those 2 attacks were when I was level 10 with no equipment on, but I suppose we can count them hehe
 

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Don't mean to boast, sorry.. But those 2 attacks were when I was level 10 with no equipment on, but I suppose we can count them hehe


Well thats what you say :nowink:


try lvling up a bit more and fighting some higher lvl people all you will doing at that lvl is dueling people who generaly cant fight back
 

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No way just fighter class only :)

I'm a zero motivation dueler so levelling doesn't appeal just yet
 

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Personally, I think too much stock is put in the resistance build. The arguments of anyone can do it do not hold much water. It is a game, and at the core of any game is balance. And any developer for this game should aim at safely guarding that balance to keep and maintain the integrity for a game.

Presently, this gets exploited to the point of making someone near invincible. I don't think that was the intention behind resistance in dueling-that resistances in the game mechanic went with the intention to completely negate damage as some of these spec'd builds quite effectively do. A high level Str build character, builder/soldier/dueler, can effectively duel people, take hits every single round and may not lose more than 50 points per duel.

Their health is already high from the high strength.

Their should be a need to balance skills. A resistance spec fighter of any kind should have an edge to the duel assuming their dodge is respective compared to their opponent, not an I win button.

The issue is simple-make the mechanic work to the effect of using all skills more effectively in a duel so that some people cannot simply overspec resistance.

Do it, or simply you will see people heavily paying that Shaman to respec and do the same thing. I don't think this game's intention was to effectively force players into a cookie cutter spec'd build in order to duel.
 

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The issue is simple-make the mechanic work to the effect of using all skills more effectively in a duel

so you want build that spend skills evenly in all dueling skills to always win, if your losing to resistance builds im guessing you have this build, so you just want you to win pretty much.
 
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No way just fighter class only :)

I'm a zero motivation dueler so levelling doesn't appeal just yet

I think Azuk's point is that you're mostly dueling n00bs. At higher levels, the competition becomes more experienced. You'll still have n00bs, because anyone can XP, but for the most part the fighters will be better.
 

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so you want build that spend skills evenly in all dueling skills to always win, if your losing to resistance builds im guessing you have this build, so you just want you to win pretty much.

No-what I want is that the game doesn't become stale because it forces every dueler/fighter into 1 spec.

Right now, the advantages are heavily into T/R spec'd fighters.

Again, I highly doubt the developers intention was for resistances to be able to take a normal 125-160 damage shot and reduce it to 1-2 damage.

Its ludicrous to think any sane minded person would spec dodge when 1 hit causes them to lose.

Str/T/R spec'ing is the easy way out, and fairly near invincible.

If they don't want to fix it, fine, I am already saving money for my massive skill purge and reset, and before long, everyone will have the same build, and I don't think that is either good for the game, or for balance.
 

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I certainly love the resistance build. The only problem I have is that my toughness is double my reflex(since reflex isn't used for good jobs), so whenever I face a dueler with high shooting, I stand almost absolutely no chance of winning.

Right now, there really aren't that many resistance builds, especially not in World 1. Yes it gives resistance players huge advantages for the most part in the dueling realm, but it also hurts them in the work realm because there isn't any high level job that uses any strength stat in combination with reflex. If the player is focused solely on dueling, then other players just need to live with it. If everyone starts going resistance then great. Less damage dealt and taken so less KO's all around and more dueling.
 

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Since I can't really be bothered with duelling unless someone attacks me or my towns builders, I'm not sure why I bothered joining in. If someone is super specialised in either aim & dodge or appearence or tactics or reflex & toughness they'll probably beat me on all worlds I play.

I was just pointing out that specialists in reflex/toughness generally don't shoot, they'll use a knife/axe/whatever since they'll get vigor by default becuase of a strength specialism. So if you are getting hit by such a player often stick some points on toughness because my guess is they wont have that much vigor (base strength level).

In fact, while typing, I just thought of an strange build for World 10 that I've not seen previously that could be awesome. When does World 10 start?
 

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Since I can't really be bothered with duelling unless someone attacks me or my towns builders, I'm not sure why I bothered joining in. If someone is super specialised in either aim & dodge or appearence or tactics or reflex & toughness they'll probably beat me on all worlds I play.

I was just pointing out that specialists in reflex/toughness generally don't shoot, they'll use a knife/axe/whatever since they'll get vigor by default becuase of a strength specialism. So if you are getting hit by such a player often stick some points on toughness because my guess is they wont have that much vigor (base strength level).

In fact, while typing, I just thought of an strange build for World 10 that I've not seen previously that could be awesome. When does World 10 start?

i never thought id here such an experienced player ask that, no one knows but suffice to say not soon
 

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The best way to overcome a resistance build is aim for the head. you never miss and it does that bit of extra damage you need :)
 

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You're not going to get head shots every round in every duel lol

and it does do some extra damage obviously, but doesn't mean it'll be enough.
 

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The best way to overcome a resistance build is aim for the head. you never miss and it does that bit of extra damage you need :)


Want to bet try asking a few of the people who dueled me on w6 they couldn't even hit me every round let alone headshot me 8 of 8 rounds :nowink:


Do resist duelers even bother to dodge?

Depends on how they are skilled but I do
 
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