The one child policy in China

[DeletedUser]

people resorting to illegal methods of pregnancy-termination can have my sympathy...
but making it legal, to make it safe and convenient is just WRONG.

why don't all countries start legalising drugs so to keep the dopers (if that's how they're called) off the streets, blah blah blah. I know a few countries did that already, I didn't bother to memorise their names, because in the future they will make it to the front pages of countries owned by drugs anyway - I will prefer complete persecution. Like China, my dear motherland. Of all things (yes I know, I have looked into the political system and of the CCP when I had my spare time, they're sometimes faulty), drug is not at all acceptable in my country. That's why drug is a very dangerous business in China - 50grams = Death Warrant. That's how people drop the habit.

A crime gets out of hand when you legalise it, you make it convenient, and then chaos follows. Look at the Americans. They hold firearms. Their arguments are that since the bad guys got guns, good guys should get guns to protect themselves as well (oh I saw that on TV enough of times...) They didn't realise they're selling guns to the bad guys in the first place >.<

my whole point is that we cannot make something safer for them because they're endangering their lives for whatever stupid reasons. A life is a life. If they just won't think it through and still resort to dangerous operations, their choice. You don't legalise suicide attempts and make it more comfortable for the person(s) involved, do you!?

Note: When I said 'You don't know who you're killing, best not taking any chances', I meant that we should NOT have an abortion at most of the times >.< Please don't get me wrong

since you are from China what are your thoughts on China's "one child Law" and how it is effecting the population of China?

 

[DeletedUser14029]

Truth is, it doesn't work really well >.<

I don't know if this is also in the case of other countries, but our culture specifies that each family should have at least one boy to continue the name and bloodline.

so, there ARE horrific stories of parents undergoing many abortions to kill their unborn baby girls and then finally conceives a BOY, and also cases of parents hiding in the mountains until their babies are born after conceiving a second/third/etc. time (If caught while pregnant, Abortion is forced upon. If the child is born and caught later, here's what follows - a fine, a lower-grade education, and no social benefits as punishments. Pretty harsh, but many still take the chances

Some say China's population won't stop increasing until the 2030s, but I deem it quite an ambiguous guess. . . Though here in Hong Kong (the International City I live in XD), since we're facing the problem of ageing population, the Government is encouraging parents to have 2 children, (whether it's at least or at most, I didn't look in to that as of now . So the prospects of controlling population growth is rather... not so bright.

Oh, in different parts of China, the population policy is different - it is actaully allowed to have much more than one child in the mountains or in other words, underdeveloped Provinces and Counties, to carry out labour-intensive Agricultural production and that.

Hope I didn't sound noobish when compared to expert reports I didn't bother to look into... my spare time is limited

 

[DeletedUser]

I don't know if this is also in the case of other countries, but our culture specifies that each family should have at least one boy to continue the name and bloodline.

This is also the case in Korea. I guess it's been going on for a long time but much more in the last 20-25 years.

There is a significantly higher number of males in adulthood than women, so there literally are not enough women to get married to these men and have more kids. The population density of Korea (I think) is the highest in the world, but their population is starting to decline because of this phenomenon. Most parents are stopping at 1 kid (preferably a SON) because of the expense of raising a child in Korea. The amount of money families WASTE on education is absurd.

 

[nashy19]

As far as I know the people of China can have more than one child, but those with one child get state benefits, I don't know if there's a maximum amount of children a family can have.

According to a thesis submitted in 2005 to the Office of Graduate Studies of Texas A&M University, the lowest TFR recorded anywhere in the world in recorded history is for Xiangyang district of Jiamusi city (Heilongjiang, China) which had a TFR of 0.41.[7] Outside China, the lowest TFR ever recorded was 0.80 for Eastern Germany in 1994.

Obviously it can't stay like that, now it's worked it's time to start changing it.

 

[DeletedUser14029]

as I have said, they CAN have more than one child. make sure you don't get caught while you're bearing the second children, or you will have a force abortion. AFTER the second child is BORN, they don't KILL it, but the child will not have social welfare, lower education standard, etc.

of course, in SOME parts of China it is not enforced, like in some poor agriculture-based provinces where they need more manpower. Big problem with our farmlands is that they're not in one piece on a plain... machines can't work well >.<

 

[DeletedUser]

Well, the problem with one child policies are that you end up with a horribly imbalanced pool of citizens. More males will be born, but for a nation to be healthily expanding you need to have more females. Well, I guess that depends on your culture, so I'll explain it differently.
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In general, nature encourages for males to reproduce as much as possible. For this to work, there must be more females than males in the "pack".

Granted, humans have evolved to where there are different cultures. In the Middle East multiple wives is allowed, generally (due to Islam). In the West, though, that is frowned upon.

So, even if culture begs to differ, that law can be an underlying principle in national growth. If you have more females than males, and the females are being "mated" (birthing children), the population will expand. If there are only males being born, though, you will result in a situation where the last generation with female citizens will die and then you are screwed.

An overly simplified example, but pretty accurate to describe China's situation in my opinion.


Oh, and Pro100, I disagree with your quoted statement on gun control. Criminals will achieve guns anyways, through smuggling and bootlegging. Just look at Columbine: if just ONE student had a gun on them, the death toll may have been zero. And, more importantly, guns protect our liberties from the possible scenario where the government becomes a tyranny.

Here's a quote (from my father; I live in the Southern US): "No soldier would want to go down into here, because they'd know that they wouldn't make it out alive." Indeed, in your nation if every citizen was armed with a gun communism wouldn't be possible.

 

[DeletedUser14029]

Partially true. China is now rapidly having MORE male than female - that's why girls in Hong Kong (shy) have a much wider scope of choice, among males in Hong Kong and Mainland. Though it's all up to the future development - South Korea now favours girls, which some years ago families will die to have a boy

oh, comeon, for shootout rampage in schools in the US, don't tell me the 12 years old kids or 18 (makes no difference) got their gun through smuggling. Tell the parents whose kids got killed by these 'smuggled' guns that had their children been carrying a gun themselves they will still be alive and kicking =.= Things just don't work this way. China AFTER the Civil War, collected the militia firearms and we DON'T have shootouts in schools every now and then without the 'Firearms Licence' and the right to bear arms. That's the one of the differences between US and China I will say.

Having a gun at home doesn't mean you can overthrow a tyranny - more like if the army is sympathetic with the people, the people will always win. I F the government is REALLY a tyranny and disregard human life with the army on their side, your guns won't really make a difference >.< We're talking about modern warfare, not the time when the Americans warred against the British when one shot means at most one kill, and so strength lies in numbers.

'sides, China is quite peaceful now without guns. We don't need a second Civil War, which might end up in division by hostile world power forces. Don't tell me America will not jump at the chance to divide up China directly/indirectly if a second Civil War breaks out, please . . . Their 'China Threat' propaganda is quite capable at building up the Evil Red China image >.< The riots in Tibet and June 4th Incident are NOT so simple as you think. We don't need any foreigners to tell us THAT. If we abandon Communism (more like Socialism, actually) now we will enter into another age of instability. So let it be and all will be well.

Note: This is in response to your 'communism' comment, not a deliberate off-topic content. I hope the mods don't throw this away into another thread so that it can be more coherent, the replies



Edit: That's how the PRC was set up. the People's Liberation Army combined with the militia drove out the Nationalists Tyranny and a Communist/Socialist state was set up (it depends on how you view it - we are called Communism-hugging states, but we're socialists, or nobody pays attention to the differences nowadays ) So actually it's the people with guns that built People's Republic of China

 

[DeletedUser]

There's the advantage of sheer numbers, and in the first stages of a revolution factories could be captured, allowing for explosives/anti-tank weaponry production. And if a government is forced to use outright carpet bombing, then they've already lost. However, our people believe in "personal liberty".


And, while I disagree with Communism, I do realize that dividing up China would be a ridiculous idea. The last time we thought it would be brilliant to divide up and merge nations we had the Middle Eastern and Southeast European conflicts. But as it is a separate topic, I will end my debate there.

 

[DeletedUser]

And, while I disagree with Communism, I do realize that dividing up China would be a ridiculous idea. The last time we thought it would be brilliant to divide up and merge nations we had the Middle Eastern and Southeast European conflicts. But as it is a separate topic, I will end my debate there.

The strength that China possesses lies in its ability through out history to avoided being divided, but rather unite diverse areas of the continent into 1 massive country.

 

[DeletedUser]

I think it's one of the rare solutions to save the world. At the moment mankind is outgrowing earth's supply of recources. If it is going on like this a world-wide massacre is inevitable