Speeding

johannmaximus

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Many nations issue speeding tickets, and depending on the area, the local police may be fairly lenient on speeding or hardline against it. My personal views are that if you are able to drive competently without running a higher than normal risk of hurting someone, then you should be able to drive as fast as you feel you need to drive. With that, I also believe that penalties for reckless driving should be stiffer. What are your views on this subject?
 

dcgincc

http://www.motorists.org/press/montana-no-speed-limit-safety-paradox

Montana: No Speed Limit Safety Paradox

By Chad Dornsife, 5/10/2001
National Motorists Association, Waunakee Wisconsin
This is an obvious call to action. Something must be done. We need more laws, more money for enforcement and more citations written - Speed Kills!
Not so fast says a follow up study just completed by National Motorists Association. The study shows the safest period on Montana’s Interstate highways was when there were no daytime speed limits or enforceable speed laws.
The doubling of fatal accidents occurred after Montana implemented its new safety program; complete with federal funding, artificially low speed limits and full enforcement.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/speed-trap-more-traffic-tickets-in-cash-strapped-cities/


Speed Trap: More Traffic Tickets in Cash-Strapped Cities



Last Updated Apr 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT




If your travels take you through a budget-strapped city or county: Slow Down. Two economic studies based on actual ticket data conclude that your odds of getting a traffic ticket are higher in municipalities with budget problems.

There's obviously no Retirement Beat angle here. Then again, if this news has any impact on your driving habits and prevents a pricey speeding ticket, the cost of an online traffic school course, and a possible bump up in your insurance premium, well, that's a couple hundred dollars you just saved.

That completes the financial advice in this post.

My main purpose is to share some research I stumbled upon that I enjoyed simply for the satisfaction that it converts urban legend into fact. And it strikes me as especially timely given that the steep decline in property tax and sales revenue during the past few years has caused big fiscal problems for state and local governments. Both studies noted below used data that pre-dates the Great Recession; I'm just guessing here, but seems sort of logical that the fiscal-straits/traffic ticket link may be even stronger today.
 

Gandalf Greyhame

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Have you SEEN the way tourists drive on mountain roads? Every time I flag for mag chloride, I stop at least one tourist, give them the usual talk about going slow to prevent road and car damage- and they ask me if 10-15 mph above the speed limit is "slow enough". There are plenty of drivers who believe that they've mastered driving because they are relatively competent at getting themselves from work to home and back. Speed limits need to exist- cars are more powerful every year, while road conditions are the same or worse due to budget constraints. Thinking that drivers will pick the correct speed to avoid both car damage, personal damage, and road damage, is naive- as watching a teenager or a Texan on a pass will rapidly prove...
 

angelaiah013

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I do believe it is better that there is a law on speed limit in every country. Especially on narrow and curve roads. Even the most careful and slow driver can get on an accident. How? Its already proven that being slow doesnt mean you're safe on the road. If you come across someone who's drunk driving on the road, it will take a matter of seconds before you are able to keep away from being hit. Pedestrians also need vehicles to know their speed limits. Not to mention animal roadkills.
 

Micky12

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When you speed you give yourself less time to react to unexpected situations and other drivers will have less time to react to you. The cars on the road are not specifically designed to go on high speeds even if they are capable of going on high speeds. High speed accidents are almost always fatal so yes there should be laws on speeding limits.
 

williamjack

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mm i agree and disagree.back in the day american roads was all 70mph and we had less car wrecks and we had real muscle cars back then,with more horse power.as for faster cars today not so,our giverment has made cars have to get so many gallons to the mile and that makes cars now less horse power and built out of tin so lighter.old days cars were made with metal and could take a lot more damage.i just think drivers now a days are stupid and cant handle a car or react to dangerous situations cause they are to busy talking on thier cell phones,puting on make up,argueing or yes even driving while reading.i have seen that a lot on freeways.Stupid drivers is why we need speed limits,so idiots dont kill inocent people oh and when it comes to Wisconsin in that one post,they are the worse at trying to control every bit of someones lives with laws they come up with.they pride themselves with createing new standards,like when they came out with the child support laws and every state follows there guidelines now.so doesnt surprise me that they are trying something with speed limits.Wisconsin lives off federal funded things any way they can get them lol,always wanting money.every dollar they collect for child support the state collects 3 dollars from feds.
 
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tigermite

Been a long time since I've felt a need to post in Discussion. But now warrants that...

.back in the day american roads was all 70mph and we had less car wrecks
Source?

and we had real muscle cars back then,with more horse power.as for faster cars today not so,our giverment has made cars have to get so many gallons to the mile and that makes cars now less horse power and built out of tin so lighter.old days cars were made with metal and could take a lot more damage.
You say, completely ignoring massively increased modern health and safety standards such as required seatbelts, better and more prevalent airbags, crumple zones etc. Whilst muscle cars could 'take more damage', their inhabitants could not. Which is kinda the more stringent point in my opinion.

i just think drivers now a days are stupid and cant handle a car or react to dangerous situations cause they are to busy talking on thier cell phones,puting on make up,argueing or yes even driving while reading.i have seen that a lot on freeways.
[sarcasm]As opposed to drivers back in the good old days who must have all been sensible![/sarcasm]

Stupid drivers is why we need speed limits,so idiots dont kill inocent people
Yup. If you had just said this I would have had no objection. Plus driving slower saves fuel, and lower fuel consumption is better for everybody.

oh and when it comes to Wisconsin in that one post,they are the worse at trying to control every bit of someones lives with laws they come up with.they pride themselves with createing new standards,like when they came out with the child support laws and every state follows there guidelines now.so doesnt surprise me that they are trying something with speed limits.Wisconsin lives off federal funded things any way they can get them lol,always wanting money.every dollar they collect for child support the state collects 3 dollars from feds.
Yeh, goddamn them goddamn socialists! Yeh! Derka derb!

Seriously, that entire paragraph has no relevance to your argument whatsoever.

What is your argument by the way?
 

Big John1970

if you are able to drive competently without running a higher than normal risk of hurting someone, then you should be able to drive as fast as you feel you need to drive.
The problem with this statement is, many people FEEL that they can competently drive fast, when in actual FACT, they CAN'T. I have seen SO many times people who think they are the world's best driver, only for them to run down and kill some lady with her baby or a pensioner at a bus stop.
I LOVE cars, but what people seem to forget is, they DO go WRONG and for seemingly INNOCUOUS REASONS! :(
I have known cars to skid off the road and smash into a wall just because one tiny little thing broke. It could be on the suspension, or the steering and suddenly, that car that just 5 seconds ago was running as smooth as silk, is suddenly throwing you across the road and you're heading head-first for a pedestrian out walking his dog.
I hate speed-limits too, but they are there for a reason. Governments don't just come up with speed-limits to annoy their citizens.
 

nashy19

Nashy (as himself)
I have known cars to skid off the road and smash into a wall just because one tiny little thing broke. It could be on the suspension, or the steering and suddenly, that car that just 5 seconds ago was running as smooth as silk, is suddenly throwing you across the road and you're heading head-first for a pedestrian out walking his dog.
It could be something digital, cars can have millions of lines of code but their programming practices are absolutely terrible. For years Toyota blamed a with the brakes on the brakes catching the floor mat, but in reality it was caused by data corruption. The code was impressively terrible with thousands of global variables and no simple safety checks, so problems were bound to happen.

Edit: Fact checking reminded me of the specific problem, unexpected acceleration.
 
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Micky12

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It does? Have you heard of `gears?`
Driving slower does actually save fuel in terms of both rapid acceleration and speed. The reason it does actually save fuel and have higher miles per gallon is due to the fact that most cars reach their top duel efficiently roughly around 55 mph. Using higher gears will result in better miles per gallon but only to an extent due to the engine overworking itself at max gears. Also when you travel at high speeds wind resistance becomes stronger hindering mpgs ( miles per gallon).

When acceleration if the car constantly has to stop and start and lot of energy is needed to start the acceleration and the power and momentum is wasted every time it stops. Say for example you stopped at a traffic lights and there were further traffic lights down the road. Once you accelerate quickly ( 30 miles per hour) to the next traffic lights this wastes the built up momentum by stopping. So it's better to go about 15-20 miles per hour as you don't use as much fuel for acceleration and your overall fuel consumption decreases.
 

tigermite

Thanks Micky, that pretty much encompasses everything that I'd say, I'd rep ya, but I really need to spread some more around first...

But yes dcgincc, I would suggest that if you want to talk about mechanics, you actually take some time to know what you're talking about in the first place.
 

Big John1970

With the wind-resistance thing, Clarkson said it best. I can't remember verbatim, but he said at certain speeds, it's like driving through treacle, at higher speeds, it's like driving through marshmallow (or something like that), but at REALLY high speeds, it's like trying to drive through a fruit-cake. :)
 

Snr Sarg

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back in the day american roads was all 70mph and we had less car wrecks and we had real muscle cars back then,with more horse power.as for faster cars today not so,our giverment has made cars have to get so many gallons to the mile and that makes cars now less horse power and built out of tin so lighter.old days cars were made with metal and could take a lot more damage.
You evidently know nothing about cars, sorry. :no:

[Happy now futu?]
 

Big John1970

Tin? They'd be bankrupt in a MONTH. Do you know how expensive tin is? You mean aluminium.
I worked in a factory that made aircraft parts, but we also made the carbon-fibre bodies for Koenigggsegggggg.:p
They have to store it at sub-zero temperatures. I don't know the physics of it, but one guy told me that they have to mould it when it is REAL cold because when it reaches room-temperature, it sets SOLID. Just going off what I was told, in case anyone wants to contradict me. :)
They once asked me to carry the body out on a forklift. I was all for it until they told me to be careful as the body itself cost more than I made in MANY years of wages. Then I wasn't so keen. :D
 
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oscar9999

I'd like if they'd make speeding more strict, because it's there as safety, your reaction time is around 1 second, and if you drive 110 km/h, that's around 33meters per second, if a kid runs out behind a bush or something, you first have to hit the break, by that time, you'r already 33 meters closer to the kid, and then it takes a few seconds more to come to a full stop, where you can already be 50 meters past the kid (The kid got squished)

Here in Sweden, we get fined around $300 for a speeding ticket, but it'd be better to have it like in Finland, where you pay a percentage of your income, there was a guy a few years ago in Finland, that was caught with speeding, he was fined around $42.250 because he had won on a lottery that year, this kind of ticket, would decrease the amount of speeders, and hopefully increase the safety on the road.
 

Snr Sarg

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Here in Sweden, we get fined around $300 for a speeding ticket, but it'd be better to have it like in Finland, where you pay a percentage of your income, there was a guy a few years ago in Finland, that was caught with speeding, he was fined around $42.250 because he had won on a lottery that year, this kind of ticket, would decrease the amount of speeders, and hopefully increase the safety on the road.
Justice should not be based on how much money you have.

It's not speed that kills, it's inappropriate speed.
 

asdf124

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Justice should not be based on how much money you have.

It's not speed that kills, it's inappropriate speed.
Not necessary, it is reckless driving, I am from the number one country of accidents, their is probably at least 1 per day.

They usually go inbetween cars on lanes and try to race each other for "fun" for some peeps.
 

Snr Sarg

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Not necessary, it is reckless driving, I am from the number one country of accidents, their is probably at least 1 per day.

They usually go inbetween cars on lanes and try to race each other for "fun" for some peeps.
Which country?

Inappropriate speed IS reckless driving though, it amounts to the same thing
 

asdf124

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It depends on how you look at it actually, either by death related or by how many accidents their are.

Kuwait has one of the most reckless drivers in the world. They aren't bad drivers, they just like to have that "racing" feel I guess.