Presents & whos got ripped off the most ?

[DeletedUser]

I do want to clarify, that I think the boxes should contain items the way the boxes are explained...so the only people who have valid complaints here are those who received something less than that #. But I still have not gotten a certified response that the statement on the box is truly what was suppose to happen.

There is no need for an official statement from anyone regarding the descriptions. They are crystal clear. Any so-called official statements trying to describe anything, but what the description actually states, will just be excuses and I hope that Innogames doesn't go down that route to piss off the players even more.

 

[DeletedUser22685]

My apologies, but are you slow???
Do you not understand simple English statements?? I asked earlier if you are a native English speaker? If you're not, that would explain your stubborn approach to this matter.

There is no need for an official statement from anyone regarding the descriptions. They are crystal clear. Any so-called official statements trying to describe anything, but what the description actually states, will just be excuses and I hope that Innogames doesn't go down that route to piss off the players even more.

There's no need to get personal, MightyMouse's first language is none of your business. While I myself believe that the unique chests are meant to drop only items worth over $10k, there's a possibility that there was a mishap in translation with something that slight. At least MightyMouse is trying to see things from a positive perspective unlike the majority of players whining in this thread.

 

[DeletedUser]

I thought the Christmas shop was around till the 6th? guess I got to wait till next year to complain about what I got.

 

[DeletedUser]

I sent a note just explaining my deep disappointment with Inno. I told them they need not reply and that I would be WAY more cautious in the future when other "special" things are available.
I encourage others to at least let them know how you felt about the "presents" you paid for.

Good idea. I sent one too expressing my dissatisfaction.

 

[DeletedUser2708]

Noah Fence

There's no need to get personal,

SNIP

unlike the majority of players whining in this thread.

Nothing personal about that, eh...?

Just sayin'....

 

[DeletedUser22685]

Nothing personal about that, eh...?

Just sayin'....

I fail to see how the statement in question is a personal attack or insult in any way...

 

[DeletedUser]

I got a marriage certificate from the rare product. I can sell that for 3k on the market so I only made a 2k loss

 

[DeletedUser]

I understand why people are upset if they didn't do well with the gifts and I agree that there are better ways Inno could have translated/presented some of this, but there are a lot of aspects of the talk on this thread that I don't agree with.

First of all there was no way Inno could have just sold boxes with all valuable and rare items. The reason is simple. Those items would no longer be valuable or rare. So bad translations aside, I never needed anyone to tell me that there was an element of chance in receiving cool things in the gifts. Everyone would be upset if there was a sudden flood of valuable/rare items that made them all worth less/worthless.

The way it worked out the worlds have all had a good number of sought after items received - enough to stimulate markets and collectors who found they could now complete their sets. I have heard from many people ingame who got good things, but the only threads here on the forum are about what people didn't get. I bought a couple of boxes and chests myself, and I got a bunch of disappointing items (glass marbles and worthless belts, pants that I already had etc.) I also got a couple of really cool things.

I like to gamble a little, but I'm not going to bet my house. There are lots of players who have a lot of ingame money - players who have played for years and have had lots of time to collect items and gain large sums of money. I think it is obvious that those players were intended to have the most chances to gain rare/valuable items. The fact that chances were also available for gold meant that players who were newer, or who weren't the type to amass funds ingame could also get a shot at something nice if they wanted to take that route. They could have just made gifts available for ingame cash, but that would have shut out a lot of people from participating.

I'm sorry to hear that some people spent more than they were comfortable spending and they didn't get the returns for what they spent that they wanted, but this isn't the only place that kind of thing happens and that shouldn't really have anything to do with the way the game is played.

 

[DeletedUser]

There's no need to get personal, MightyMouse's first language is none of your business. While I myself believe that the unique chests are meant to drop only items worth over $10k, there's a possibility that there was a mishap in translation with something that slight. At least MightyMouse is trying to see things from a positive perspective unlike the majority of players whining in this thread.

Maybe I got a bit carried away with part of that post, but when a dude time and time again wants an official statement of what is meant by "This chest contains items worth over $10000" I question his language and/or comprehension skills.

It really doesn't matter if there was a mishap in translation or not either, since these are English speaking servers, and therefore it is the English text that matters. You seriously do not expect people to find the German version, ensure that the English translation is correct, and THEN buy the boxes?

If someone bought any of the chests with a guaranteed minimum value and got less than what was guaranteed they have a right to complain and get reimbursed.

 

[DeletedUser]

And there's the magic word, "guarantee." By express construct, by universal understanding, by the ever elusive common sense, grab bags provide only one guarantee --- the guarantee that you'll get something.

It is the presumption of a guarantee that is eluding many in their emotional written gesticulations. Lasarstar's post, just a few comments up, was very well presented and I urge others to take the time for that short read.

 

[DeletedUser]

And there's the magic word, "guarantee." By express construct, by universal understanding, by the ever elusive common sense, grab bags provide only one guarantee --- the guarantee that you'll get something.

It is the presumption of a guarantee that is eluding many in their emotional written gesticulations. Lasarstar's post, just a few comments up, was very well presented and I urge others to take the time for that short read.

There IS a guarantee in two of the chests, Hellstromm. The Fancy chest will provide items worth more than 5000, and the Unique chest will provide items worth more than 10000. That IS a guarantee.

For all the other chests there is no guarantee of a minimum value and what you get then is of course a chance to get some good stuff. When it comes to being disappointed with the result in those chests/packages I agree that Lasarstar's post is very well presented.

 

[DeletedUser]

I have to agree that "contains items worth over $10,000" is a guarantee. Why? Because every single normal box has the possibility of having items worth over $10k. Saying it's POSSIBLE for an item to be worth over $10k is completely meaningless when it's true of regular wood, iron, and steel boxes. Getting items worth less than $10k from a premium chest is the only complaint I feel is really justified.

 

[DeletedUser30307]

my opinion....inno has not behaved in a professional manner and has 'kinda' taken us for a ride. how they have is mentioned below;

when they sell premium services....they tell us EXACTLY what we get when we subscribe to it.

when they sell us nuggets....they tell us EXACTLY how many nuggets we will get when we buy them.

when they sell us items for about 7k nugget (per world) on christmas....they should tell us EXACTLY what the possible contents of chests are. once we are aware of the contents of the chests....then we are the ones responsible for our decision which we took due to the correct knowledge and with a sound mind....hence resolving inno of all responsibility.

currently even support does not know everything and what little they know now is only after this entire chaos, else they did not know anything before this episode.

even though i am partially satisfied as well as unsatisfied with my gifts....i firmly believe that this is not what inno should have done. they have a responsibility to make the players aware of what they are getting into....even if its a gamble, they should tell the player that you are gambling for 'xxxx' item(s) & not lure players with misleading descriptions. it is their duty to be specific & precise when charging people money.

hash

 

[DeletedUser]

I've got 1 wooden, 1 iron, 3 premium and 1 unique chest left unopened, but I'm now loathe to open them, in case everything I get is 'less than good'.. might just keep them in my inventory, to look pretty.

 

[DeletedUser]

Make sure you have your screen capture software loaded before you open the boxes up. You'll need it in case you need to raise a support ticket (for example, in the distinct possibility that you get an item worth less than $10,000 from the premium and unique chests).

 

[DeletedUser]

Make sure you have your screen capture software loaded before you open the boxes up. You'll need it in case you need to raise a support ticket (for example, in the distinct possibility that you get an item worth less than $10,000 from the premium and unique chests).

As far as I know it's only the unique chest which has a guaranteed value for the reward, isn't it?

Premium chests just say "could" hold a rare item.

Edit: Opened the wooden and iron boxes..

Wooden:

Iron:

 

[DeletedUser]

Make sure you have your screen capture software loaded before you open the boxes up. You'll need it in case you need to raise a support ticket (for example, in the distinct possibility that you get an item worth less than $10,000 from the premium and unique chests).

The premium chest has no guarantee; It states that it COULD hold many rare items, which is quite clearly no guarantee.

(The other chest, in addition to the unique chest, with a guarantee is the Fancy Chest, which guarantees value above 5000.)

 

[DeletedUser30307]

I understand why people are upset if they didn't do well with the gifts and I agree that there are better ways Inno could have translated/presented some of this, but there are a lot of aspects of the talk on this thread that I don't agree with.

First of all there was no way Inno could have just sold boxes with all valuable and rare items. The reason is simple. Those items would no longer be valuable or rare. So bad translations aside, I never needed anyone to tell me that there was an element of chance in receiving cool things in the gifts. Everyone would be upset if there was a sudden flood of valuable/rare items that made them all worth less/worthless.

The way it worked out the worlds have all had a good number of sought after items received - enough to stimulate markets and collectors who found they could now complete their sets. I have heard from many people ingame who got good things, but the only threads here on the forum are about what people didn't get. I bought a couple of boxes and chests myself, and I got a bunch of disappointing items (glass marbles and worthless belts, pants that I already had etc.) I also got a couple of really cool things.

I like to gamble a little, but I'm not going to bet my house. There are lots of players who have a lot of ingame money - players who have played for years and have had lots of time to collect items and gain large sums of money. I think it is obvious that those players were intended to have the most chances to gain rare/valuable items. The fact that chances were also available for gold meant that players who were newer, or who weren't the type to amass funds ingame could also get a shot at something nice if they wanted to take that route. They could have just made gifts available for ingame cash, but that would have shut out a lot of people from participating.

I'm sorry to hear that some people spent more than they were comfortable spending and they didn't get the returns for what they spent that they wanted, but this isn't the only place that kind of thing happens and that shouldn't really have anything to do with the way the game is played.

well put and i agree to most of it

but i do have a question for you, since you appear to like gambling

when you goto a casino and you play roulette, you are able to see the wheel clearly and know if its a european wheel or american wheel or macau wheel....or is it that you not shown wheel with it being hidden under something & the casino has designed a new wheel with 1-99 which you are not aware of and are betting on !

inno should have laid out the cards and let the players bet for themselves instead of luring the players into betting without revealing everything to the players.

secondly (apart from the above issue)....they should not be asking for proof where the fault lies with them. manufacturers eg. bmw or audi recall their products when they realize a part is faulty and replace that part at their own expense. a similar example is to be followed by inno as the burden lies on them because their product is faulty, they should do their R&D and not treat the players like guinea pigs and ask them for proof.

i would assume that you ought to agree with me on this....if not, then let me hear your point of view.

hash

p.s. as i've said it a number of times before...i'm partially happy and partially unhappy about what has transpired. i bought each and everything & am presenting an example from it....i know what the iron box can give and what it almost always gives & that is exactly what i got....hence no complaints whatsoever, as i knowingly gambled and got what i knew was coming

 

[DeletedUser]

Buffalo Bill's leg guards in the first of my 3 Premium chests.. not bad, I suppose.

Counterfeit Golden Gun from Premium box number 2. So far, so good.

General Grant's Sabre for Premium box number 3. Not a bad turnout, in the end.

Another Buffalo Bill's from my Unique chest...

 

[DeletedUser]

The premium chest has no guarantee; It states that it COULD hold many rare items, which is quite clearly no guarantee.

(The other chest, in addition to the unique chest, with a guarantee is the Fancy Chest, which guarantees value above 5000.)

It then listed multiple rare items in order to entice more people to buy them. As I've said and a few others as well, it would have been nice to know that it was also possible to receive not so rare items that were available from doing a few simple tasks such as the young stallion which you get from the tutorial quest or the sled which you could get from either the advent calender or praying ten times, or both.

Given that it's called a premium chest, and it cost me $27 real cash (so could people stop harping on about this all being about nothing because it's all in game cash), I would've expected the items to actually be rare. The definition of rare is what's being questioned here as it seems that Inno just lumped anything that you can't buy in the shops into a premium chest and it's pot luck what you get.

Here's a few stats from http://tw-db.info/?strana=item_stats though:

66.46% of inventories (42273)have the young stallion
39.63% of inventories (25203) have the sled (30978 items in total and they're non auctionable)
41.24& of inventories (26228, 40047 items total) have the Huckleberry Slingshot
43.94% of inventories (27939, 37792 items total) have Granmont's Pistol

These are items that I'm aware of that people, including myself, got in a premium chest. Would you call these items rare? I would not. Items such as Pat Garrett's jeans or General Grant's Saber are not even in 1% of inventories, and the description of the Premium chest gave me the distinct impression that these would be the sorts of items (and the only sorts of items) that would be available from these chests. Whether the word 'could' is in the description is irrelevant. The rest of the description was intentionally misleading in order to make us buy one