It`s this the END?

Discussion in 'Saloon' started by rcris74, Dec 7, 2016.

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  1. MFRavenhawk

    MFRavenhawk Well-Known Member

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    To say that dueling is dead might depend on one's situation. If you are fairly low level on a halfway active world, if you are in a town, you are a target....and if you aren't skilled and geared to duel, you are a dead target. For myself, before I went townless, I spent more time in hotels recovering than I could on a job working it seemed....even if I wasn't ko'd I would need hotels to recover the lost HP since continuing on a job would kill me as sure as the next duel would.

    On the other hand, if you are a high level player, even on the most active worlds here in .net, you are lucky to find more than 10 players in your range, luckier still if you can actually duel more than 3 of them in a day. And if you have the misfortune of needing to ko someone for a quest, good luck, because if you aren't actually a dueler, you will never kill off an opponent at that level. For those who are deulers, its almost impossible to attack an opponent without killing them off, thus making a living at dueling like the low levs can very difficult.
     
  2. Fafer

    Fafer Well-Known Member

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    MFR, check my recent post here about how to get easily more then enough to complete basic sets in each event, without any nuggets, stress, friends or working 24/7.
    https://forum.the-west.net/index.php?threads/halloween-event-2016.57290/page-2#post-759831

    As for bonds, i have near 3k all the time since i only buy 600bonds alt.coin item and i buy mate tea when i reach 3k limit. Otherwise, they are not much of use.
    Btw, did you know you can have more then 3k bonds now? Not sure for how long though, but over 3k numbers go red as a warning so i just spent them to get below limit again.

    And your comment about how townlessness is vital against duels is just plain ignorance.
     
  3. MFRavenhawk

    MFRavenhawk Well-Known Member

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    It isn't ignorance when there are no longer any other methods to protect yourself against being dueled, and you get ko'd in almost every duel someone does against you....unless you are lucky enough to be online when it happens and can either hit a hotel or rebuff your health.
     
  4. lulumcnoob

    lulumcnoob Well-Known Member

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    You're absolutely right. Killing zmd's killed the interest in duelling as a character build for most, and tombolas killed what was left if you couldn't afford the newest upgraded gear every month.
     
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  5. Fafer

    Fafer Well-Known Member

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    yes, but you need to keep yourself KO'd and do it every 3 days. That way you keep it under control and you can make sure you never lose any cash or energy (Plus it costs only 1 energy!)
     
  6. MFRavenhawk

    MFRavenhawk Well-Known Member

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    You arent saying anything I don't already know....in fact I have advocated that very concept for years.
    However, there are times when trying to juggle getting to a town to bank and burn off energy so you can get dueled for a fresh ko and not waste anything or lose cash is simply impractical. It is a system that only works if you can time the new ko and sleep recovery to when you yourself are offline....or if you have the means to immediately rebuff and go right back to work.

    Which gets back to the idea of going townless to avoid it....why waste bonds, nuggets, or even game cash on buffs to recover when you simply don't have to be dueled in the first place???

    When you are strong enough to do your jobs without risk of a ko from it, spending 100 bonds or nuggets every three days to rebuff is wasted funds compared to using only 10 nuggets to bank when you choose once you get over 500k sitting in your pocket.
     
  7. neuth

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    In my case, i'm now (after a long time not duelling) level 167; and a pure fort-fighter build. Walking around in non-duelling clothes, in the centre of the map. I have a bounty on my head. 2-3 years ago I would have been shot to bits for doing that. Now, barely anything. I'd actually like to be hit a few times - would give me an excuse to duel again :D
     
  8. futurama1001

    futurama1001 The West Team Sheriff

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    You'll probably find that the reduction in duelling activity is roughly proportionate to the lack of game activity in general. It's just that you're aware of the fact that you don't constantly have incoming duel reports more than you notice that there are less people sharing your favourite job site.

    I've always defended the updates that limited 0 mot duelling because, theoretically, if players had reacted in the way that was intended, it wouldn't have been detrimental to duelling activity in the slightest. If former 0 mots had fully embraced exp duelling, every high level dueller would have reached the duel level cap and never run out of targets.

    Where I think it went wrong was that high level duellers had already grown so scarce long before those duel motivation updates came about. But I certainly don't blame the "death" of duelling on the 0 mot update. In fact, the only update affecting duel mechanics that I'd possibly attribute to the decline of duelling is the original aim/dodge formula change years ago. The rest is just in keeping with the active player trend.
     
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  9. Disappoint

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    It's simply the way of the world. Show someone the easiest, laziest way to do something and they'll jump on it.
    Corporation wants to save money? Coming up with actual budgeting ideas is hard - just lay people off.
    Government needs money to fund a new idea? Cutting funding to anything, especially their own pay raises, is too hard. Just raise taxes.
    Inno wants to push too many new games at once? Pick one that has to suffer - The West - let it wither on the vine and move its resources to the new game (that's as promising as The West had been) - and see how long you can trick those addicted to it [ http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/features/video-game-addiction-no-fun ] into pouring their money into the dead end, and then when enough suckers catch on and cut the cord, kill the game and leave the 'survivors' hanging, crying, craving their fix - and hey, maybe they'll have moved on to Grepolis by then!

    Oh, and don't forget - it's time to buy more nuggets for the Christmas event!!
     
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  10. MFRavenhawk

    MFRavenhawk Well-Known Member

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    Heh...I got over my Grepolis fix some 3 years ago when Inno shut down World Alpha ending a nice 3 year year and $4000 investment. Between bans (caused by competing interpretation of rules) and power slamming by multiple players against sat accounts (Tribal Wars' version of vacation mode) I won't ever touch TW again, let alone even try TW2, despite once having enjoyed that game for over 5 years straight. Forge of Empires and Elvenar don't even look appealing, and the last game Inno had that could compete with my interest the way The West has was Lagoonia....a game that didn't even last two years for Inno.

    Heck, even West was once just a 'distraction'....something to play between attack waits on Grep and TW. It wasn't until Inno effectively forced me away from them and Lagoonia that West became my sole gaming addiction and online investment.
     
  11. Olchainbloolightnin

    Olchainbloolightnin Well-Known Member

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    Hi everyone. When this world ends (w11) and everyone moves. Will the town your in move as well as happened the last time there was a move?
     
  12. Kidd Kalypso

    Kidd Kalypso The West Team Marshal

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    If you migrate......you will have to hook up with all of your old townies and start another town. I think that is what you are asking.
     
  13. KislonEcho

    KislonEcho New Member

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    So... as a new person I am wondering if I should play at all? I see chat on Fairbanks isnt active, and im not sure what High population means as all servers say they have a high population? Any advice?
     
  14. dissembler

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    And how overpowered range dueling is compared to melee has sucked the fun out of it . range can hit people for 760+ with buffs per head shot. if your lucky you might get a 500 shot as melee. the bonus's for range gear has gone beyond a joke compared to poor melee duelers.
     
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  15. Pankreas PorFavor

    Pankreas PorFavor Well-Known Member

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    my best hit with a level 4 Harper's axe was 792. but I do agree with you, more diversity would be good.
     
  16. Victor Kruger

    Victor Kruger Well-Known Member

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    So things never did get better then ? wassis new upgrade stuff and how the heck do you get enough earpes buntines to do it ? ....

    May I say after looking for an evening and reading the west has definitely run out of juice and seemed to around the time a lot of the olduns poking a quip in here and there were warning where it was going and why... id say you/we were all spot on.

    was a damned cool game for a few years though and some damned cool players im happy to have known, special hi to all on this thread I know, cool to see some still here.
     
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  17. Kidd Kalypso

    Kidd Kalypso The West Team Marshal

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    Greetings Master Vic, great to see you are amongst the living.
     
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  18. EvilMFO

    EvilMFO New Member

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    There's just too much stuff... that is too easy to get....too easy to do jobs. No real challenges anymore.

    Yet I keep playing - hoping against hope
     
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  19. futurama1001

    futurama1001 The West Team Sheriff

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    Worse than the fact that things are getting easier is the fact that by "easier" we mean that all you have to do is just pay real money to complete them.
     
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