Indian. What an American word to use.

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there are different tribes of black people in africa, but we call them all african american so why should we term indians by their tribes? it would just make things difficult. there is no politically correct way to talk about white people, unless you include caucasion, when was the last time you heard a white guy say, "please i prefer to be called amero german" or "brit is souch a dirty word please call me caucasion?" to be fair if you are going to name every indian tribe you need to name every germanic tribe every asian class, every african tribe, ....." stop being racist and thinking everyone is out to insult people, it is simply classification of appearance, or origin for most people, it is the minority who intend to harm or demean people through these terms.
 

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Quidel said:
Native Americans are often (in history) called Indians due to Columbus (he did NOT "invent" or "find" America by the way) which thought he would reach India by going west. So it's a misstake.
At the same time, it's a bit wrong putting all tribes under one name.
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so your saying its all right to list all american Indians as Apache? or Navajo? or Cherokee? or Iroquois? got news for you most tribes would rather be called Indian or Native American then another tribe, remember most tribes were blood enemies, reminiscent of the Scottish clan wars.
 

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This is easy, just let people select there North American Indian Tribe:

Abenaki, Achiligonan, Achomawi, Acolapissa, Acquintanacsnak, Acuera, Adai, Ahantchuyuk, Alabama, Alabana, Algonkin, Algonquian Family, Alibamu, Alsea, Amacano, Anadarko, Apache, Apache (Jicarilla), Apaiachicola, Apalachee, Aranama, Arapaho, Arikara, Arosaguntacook, Assiniboin, Atfalati, Athapascan Family, Atquanachuke, Atsina, Atsugewi, Avoyel, Awani, Awatobi, Bannock, Bayogoula, Bayougoula, Bear River Indians, Bellabella, Bellacoola, Beothuk Family, Bidai, Biloxi, Blackfeet (Siksika), Blackfoot, Brotherton, Brulé Sioux, Caddo, Cahinnio, Cahita, Cahuilla, Cajuenche, Calapooya, Calapuya, Calusa, Caparaz, Cape Fear Indians, Capinans, Catawba, Cathlacomatup, Cathlacumup, Cathlakaheckit, Cathlamet, Cathlanahquiah, Cathlapotle, Cathlathlalas, Cayuse, Chactoo, Chakankni, Chakchiuma, Chasta, Chastacosta, Chasta-Soton, Chatot, Chaui, Chaushila, Chehalis, Chelamela, Chemehuevi, Chepenafa, Cheraw, Cherokee, Chesapeake, Chetco, Cheyenne, Chiaha, Chickahominy, Chickasaw, Chilliwack, Chilluckkittequaw, Chilula, Chimakuan Family, Chimakum, Chimariko, Chine, Chinook, Chinookan Family, Chippewa, Chitamacha, Chiwere Family, Choctaw, Choula, Chowanoc, Christanna Indians, Chumash, Chumash Family, Clackama, Clallam, Clatsop, Coahuiltec, Coahuiltecan Tribes, Coanopa, Coaque, Cochimi, Cochiti, Cocopa, Columbians, Colville, Comanche, Conestoga, Congaree, Conoy, Copehan Family, Coree, Costanoan Family, Cowichan, Cowlitz, Coyotero, Cree, Creek, Creeks, Crow, Cuñeil, Cupeño, Cusabo, Dakota, Dakota (Sioux), Dakubetede, Deadose, Delaware, Diegueño, Dotame, Doustioni, Dwamish, Eno, Erie, Esselen, Etchaottine, Etchareottine, Etheneldeli, Eyeish, Fernandeño, Fox, Foxes, Grigra, Gros Ventre, Guacata, Guale, Guasas, Haida, Hainai, Halchidhoma, Hanis, Hathawekela (Absentee Shawnee), Hatteras, Havasupai, Hidatsa, Hitchiti, Hoh, Honniasontkeronon, Hopi, Houma, Housatonic, Huchnon, Huma, Humptulips, Hunkpapa, Hupa, Huron, Hurons, Icaful, Illinois, Iowa, Iroquois, Irquois, Isleta del Sur, Jeags, Jemez, Jicarilla, Juaneño, Kadohadacho, Kalapooian Family, Kalispel, Kamia, Kansa, Karankawa, Karankawan, Karankawan Family, Karok, Kasihta, Kaskaskia, Kaskinampo Kichai, Kato, Kawaiisu, Kawchodinne, Kawia, Keresan Family, Keyauwee, Kickapoo, Kiowa, Kiowa Apache, Kitanemuk, Kitksan, Klallam, Klamath, Klickitat, Koasati, Konomihu, Koroa, Koso, Kosotshe, Koyeti, Kuitsh, Kusan, Kutchin, Kutenai, Kwaiailk, Kwakiutl, Kwalhioqua, Lakmiut, Lassik, Lillooet, Lipan, Lohim, Luiseño, Lumbee, Lummi, Lutuamian Family, Macapiras, Machapunga, Mahican, Maidu, Makah, Malecite, Manahoac, Manahoac Matchotic, Mandan, Manhattan, Manso, Marameg, Maricopa, Mariposan Family, Martha's Vineyard Indians, Mascouten, Mascoutens, Mashpee, Maskegon, Massachuset, Matinecoc, Mattabesic, Mattole, Mdewakanton Sioux, Meherrin, Meits, Menominee, Methow, Metoac, Miami, Michigamea, Michilimackinac, Micmac, Mikasuki, Mishikhwutmetunne, Mission Indians, Missouri, Miwok, Mobile, Moctobi, Modoc, Mohave, Mohawk, Mohegan, Moingwena, Molala, Monacan, Mono, Mono-Paviotso, Montagnais, Moratoc, Moravians, Mosopela, Mosopelea, Muckleshoot, Mugulasha, Muklasa, Multnomah, Munsee, Muskogee, Nabedache, Nacisi, Nacogdoche, Nahane, Nahyssan, Nakotchokutchin, Naltunnetunne, Nanaimo, Nanatsoho, Nanticoke, Napochi, Nappissa, Narragansett, Natchez, Natchitoch, Natchitoches Confederacy, Nauset, Navaho, Neketemeuk, Nemalquinner, Nespelem, Neusiok, Neutral, Neutrals, Nez Percé, NianticNipissing, Nipmuc, Nisqualli, Nongatl, Nooksack, Nooksak, Nootka, Noquet, Nottaway, Ntlakyapamuk, Ocale, Occaneechi, Oçita, Oconee, Ofo, Oglala, Ojibwa, Ojibwe, Okanagon, Okelousa, Okwanuchu, Omaha, Onatheaqua, Onathequa, Oneida, Onondaga, Ontonagon, Opelousa, Osage, Osochi, Oto, Ottawa, Ouachita, Paiute, Paloos, Palouse, Pamlico, Panamint, Papago, Pascagoula, Passamaquoddy, Patiri, Patwin, Pawnee, Pawokti, Pecos, Pedee, Pennacook, Penobscot, Pensacola, Peoria, Pepikokia, Pequawket, Pequot, Piankashaw, Piegan, Pima, Pinal Pueblos, Pinkashaw, Piro Pueblo, Pocomtic, Pohoy, Pomo, Ponca, Poosepatuck, Potawatomi, Powhatan, Pshwanwapam, Pueblo, Pueblos, Puntlatsh, Puyallup, Quahatika, Quapaw, Queets, Quileute, Quinaielt, Quinault, Quinipissa, Saconnet, Salinan, Salish, Salish Family, Saluda, Samish, San Arcs, Sanpoil, Santee, Santiam, Saponi, Sara, Satsop, Saturiba, Sauk, Seechelt, Sekani, Semiahmoo, Seminole, Seneca, Senijextee, Serrano, Sewee, Shahala, Shahaptian Family, Shakori, Shasta, Shastan Family, Shawnee, Shinnecock, Shoshonean Family, Shoshoni, Shuswap, Siksika, Siksika (Blackfeet), Siletz, Sinkakaius, Sinkiuse, Sisseton, Sissipahaw, Siuslaw, Skaddal, Skagit, Skidi Sutaio, Skilloot, Snake, Snohomish, Snoqualmie, Soacatino, Sobaipuri, Songish, Souchitioni, Spokan, Squawmish, Squaxon, Stehtsasamish, Stillaquamish, Stockbridge, Sugeree, Suquamish, Susquehanna, Swallah/Swalash, Swinomish, Tacatacuru, Tachi, Taensa, Tahltan, Taidhapam, Takelma, Tali, Taltushtuntude, Tangipahoa, Tano Pueblo, Taposa, Tatlitkutchin, Tatsanottine, Tawakoni, Tawasa, Tawehash, Tekesta, Tenino, Tequesta, Teton Sioux, Tewa Pueblos, Thlingchadinne, Tigua Pueblo, Tillamook, Timucua Family, Tionontati, Tohome, Tolowa, Tonkawa, Tonto, Tsattine, Tschantoga, Tsilkotin, Tsimshian, Tübatulabal, Tukkuthkutchin, Tulalip, Tunica, Tunxis, Tuscarora, Tuskegee, Tutchonekutchin, Tutelo, Tutuni, Twana, Tyigh, Ucita, Umatilla, Umpqua, Unalachtigo, Unami, Ute, Ute Yampa, Utina, Waccamaw, Waccanaw, Waco, Wailaki, Walapai, Walla Walla, Walpapi, Wampanoag, Wanapam, Wappinger, Wappo, Wasco, Washa, Washo, Wateree, Watlala, Watok, Wauyukma, Waxhaw, Wea, Weanoc, Weapemeoc, Wenatchee, Wenrohronon, Whilkut, Wichita, Winnebago, Wintu, Wintun, Winyaw, Wishram, Wiyot/Wiyat, Woccon, Wyandot, Wynoochee, Yahi, Yahuskin, Yakima, Yakonan, Yamasee, Yamel, Yana, Yaquina, Yatasi, Yavapai, Yazoo, Yodok, Yojuane, Yokuts, Yonkalla, Yscani, Yscanis, Yuchi, Yufera, Yui, Yuki, Yuma, Yuman, Yurok, Yustaga, or Zuñi

Hope I did not leave anyone out...
 

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rogue ninja7 said:
there are different tribes of black people in africa, but we call them all african american so why should we term indians by their tribes? it would just make things difficult. there is no politically correct way to talk about white people, unless you include caucasion, when was the last time you heard a white guy say, "please i prefer to be called amero german" or "brit is souch a dirty word please call me caucasion?" to be fair if you are going to name every indian tribe you need to name every germanic tribe every asian class, every african tribe, ....." stop being racist and thinking everyone is out to insult people, it is simply classification of appearance, or origin for most people, it is the minority who intend to harm or demean people through these terms.
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Settle down you know people are not trying to be Racist they don't realize it might offend other people so settle down
 

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I didn't say that you are racist if you say Native American instead of Apache, Caguya etc. It was just a paranthesis. After reading James Wilson's book The Earth Shall Weep I just think it's not correct (not politically incorrect), but there's no "better" alternative. Once again, just a paranthesis.

(Have not accused anyone for being racist and will not)
 

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yeah you did not say it in your text so i doubt they would think your accusing them of being racist
 

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Most of the people you have referred to in this thread prefer you refer to their tribe. That being said the vast Majority HATE the term native american and if you insist on lumping all tribes and nations together actually PREFER the term Indian (ie AIM the American Indian Movement (the folks who took over Alcatraz for a bit during the 70's in protest) The reasoning behind this is two fold
1) They are not Americans they have national sovereignty AND suffered so much at the hands of the American Government and it's Policies they prefer not to associate with it.

2)The term Indian was not (as so many have been misinformed by the education system) a reference to the fact that Columbus thought he was in India, he knew better. It came from passages in his diary describing the gentle and peaceful natives as "as a people existing in God" en deos (sp?)
Though this did not prevent him from enslaving a great number of them and destroying their way of life.

Before you raise protest about treating folks with respect and insist that they be referred to one way (for politically correct reasons) find out what they prefer to be called.

At least they aren't referred to as Injuns.
 

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This is an old disagreement that has been had on here in one form or another before.
It's a game. Just have fun. Non of it is meant in offence. Instead of this stuff, let the dev's worry about the other stuff that really need to be worked out. Like everything that's still in German and other bugs.
 

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Well, when the people themselves refer to their race as a whole by the term "Indian" I don't see how it could be considered politically incorrect...
 

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Especially since they said it. I wonder if any Asian Indians (as in from India) are annoyed.
 

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I'll throw something else into the mix. What about aboriginal or indigenous?
 

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But should the word 'American' be included since it is a European designation.
 

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look at where this is supposed to be happening. The American West Prior to 1890 (the official end of the Frontier Period) adding American to Indian would be Redundant and unnecessary. They would have been referred to as Indians (except amongst themselves).

As for the Politically correct issue, Use of the term Native American is a Symptom of white guilt. And unless you are a Creationist there truly are no Natives of the Americas. They all migrated from somewhere using either land bridges or boats (of one variety or another)

As for the folks from the Indian Sub-continent I've never heard any of them raise any objections.

Aboriginal or indigenous also would be anachronistic (and unnecessary)
 

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I remember from some History Channel think about how some Stone Age Europeans crossed the Atlantic :)
 

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Actually they are called First Nation People
I would like to point out that the term squaw is a derogatory term and very offensive to native american women.The makers of this game should change the wording when refering to female first nations people.
Call a native woman that word here and you would get a swift punch in the nose. I am a grandmother to many Cree first nation children
your first cree word...Kokum it means grandmother.
thanks for listening
 

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We had a discussion about Squaw quite a while ago,

But it has been sorted. Its only derogatory because of the annoying colonists.
 

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lozen said:
Actually they are called First Nation People
I would like to point out that the term squaw is a derogatory term and very offensive to native american women.The makers of this game should change the wording when refering to female first nations people.
Call a native woman that word here and you would get a swift punch in the nose. I am a grandmother to many Cree first nation children
your first cree word...Kokum it means grandmother.
thanks for listening
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problem is Squaw is a native american word used to describe women from an east coast tribe the Alogonquin I believe, which is also of the Cree nation, so you wish for the Cree Nation to do away with its own language? its own history? because of a few misguided fools? then truly you are doing more damage then any racist could do, so while its context is not accepted country wide it is a name given by a native american tribe.

furthermore the Cree are located up in Canada, mostly so lets see here we have a game of the Old West which has nothing to do with Canada so why should you even be concerned since it has nothing to do with the Cree tribe?

furthermore for people pointing out the Columbus position, go back to school Columbus never set foot on American soil, he remained in the islands.

Americo gained its name based on a map done by Amerigo Vespucci.

Native Americans can be called alot worse names then Indian and such.

Native Americans are not as innocent as alot of people think, they just didn't do as much atrocities as the "White Man".

i'm tired of hearing people with their politically correct words not realizing that those self same cultures they try to protect laugh at them.

these days most Native American cultures have lost their way and lost track of their history and culture, Europeans are to blame for this but so is the Native American tribes to blame for this.

for a culture to forget its past is the worse thing anybody could ever do to a culture, racism while ugly is ignorable and avoidable, but by giving up your own culture you do far more damage then anyone could.
 

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If i remember correctly i read somewhere that the use of Squaw for the Female Parts is a corruption.
 
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