Fort Battle Builds Guide 2.0!

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  1. Sauceysauce

    Sauceysauce Guest

    Fort Battle Builds Guide 2.0!

    Took me long enough eh? Well here it is, the newly updated for 1.30 fort battle guide. It took me a lot of work to do all this today, but it was actually really fun to browse the new clothes and look at their bonuses. I'm really excited about this, as it completely changes the way we thought about fort builds.

    First off, the scale that we thought was right when forts came out and I published my first guide, were completely wrong. (No wonder the bonuses weren't so good, and pure HP's owned, as noted by Elmyr)

    The new formula is simple - Skill^0.4
    (ex you have 32 leadership, 32^0.4= 4)

    Now previously we thought stamina was only for attacking, and hiding was only for defending... but guess what? We were wrong there too. Stamina is for shooting, and Hiding is for dodging. You also get a base of 25 towards chance to hit (or 20, i just tested it and got 20 not 25) and a base of 10 to chance to dodge. [Note: this is incorrect, so the bonuses below will be correct. Stamina is attacking only and hiding is defending only. ~Elmyr]

    Therefore, the skills are -
    Leadership+Aim+Stamina+25=Chance to Hit
    Leadership=Dodge=Hiding+10=Chance to Dodge

    The formulas are-
    Chance to hit=25+aim^0.4+leadership^0.4+stamina^0.4
    Chance to dodge=10+dodging^0.4+leadership^0.4+hiding^0.4

    If you want a scale, like the old one, there is this:

    * +1 bonus with one point
    * +2.04 bonus with 6 points
    * +3.03 bonus with 16 points
    * +4 bonus with 32 points
    * +5 bonus with 56 points
    * +6 bonus with 88 points
    * +7.01 bonus with 130 points
    * +8 bonus with 181 points
    * +9 bonus with 243 points
    * +10 bonus with 316 points

    *note* Remember the formula: Skill^0.4

    Clothing

    Now this time, there is no attacking or defending builds, just shooting vs dodging vs mixed. There's still hp tanks, but facing these new builds they will be less effective than before.

    I decided to focus on clothes first, because we cant change clothing bonuses, but we can change our skills. I compiled a list of all clothes and the total fort fighting skills that they have. All players should take a look at this part, as these are the best you can possibly get. I do notice that these have fairly high levels (Mainly the belt) but I have a list of all items and their values for fort fighting. You can substitute them as you wish, but I use the top clothes in my builds.

    All Around (No Heath Points)

    For some people who have enough health, this is for you:

    Sharp Tomahawk - 6 [3 Dodge, 3 Hide]
    Green top hat - 20 [10 Leadership, 9 Hiding, 1 Dodge]
    Brown tie - 15 (10) [1 Stamina, 10 Health, 6 Dodging, 8 Leadership]
    Black Leather jacket - 22 [11 Hiding, 11 Leadership]
    Moccasins - 22 [9 Stamina, 11 Hiding, 2 Dodge]
    Fancy Pistol Belt - 45 (3) [18 Stamina, 18 Leadership, 3 Aim, 3 Dodge, 3 Hiding, 3 Health]
    Fancy soft leg guards - 59 (19) [32 Dodging, 2 Hiding, 25 Aim, 19 Health]
    Fireworks Rocket - 10 (2) [2 Health, 2 Stamina, 2 Hiding, 2 Dodge, 2 Aim, 2 Leadership]
    Mustang - 12 (Because of Set bonus with Moccasins) [10 Hiding, 2 Dodge]

    Totals- Stamina (30), Hiding (51), Leadership (49), Aim (30), Dodge (51), Health (34)
    Points Given - 211 (245 With HP)

    Bonus Given
    ------------
    Stamina = 3.89
    Hiding = 4.81
    Leadership = 4.74
    Aim = 3.89
    Dodge = 4.81
    (Shooting) = 12.58
    (Dodging) = 14.36


    All Around (With Health Points)

    This is for the rest of us, and what I use on my all around build below:

    Sharp Tomahawk - 6 [3 Dodge, 3 Hide]
    Brown Stetson - 14 (15) [2 Stamina, 15 Health, 12 Dodging]
    Brown tie - 15 (10) [1 Stamina, 10 Health, 6 Dodging, 8 Leadership]
    Black Leather jacket - 22 [11 Hiding, 11 Leadership]
    Moccasins - 22 [9 Stamina, 11 Hiding, 2 Dodge]
    Fancy Pistol Belt - 45 (3) [18 Stamina, 18 Leadership, 3 Aim, 3 Dodge, 3 Hiding, 3 Health]
    Fancy soft leg guards - 59 (19) [32 Dodging, 2 Hiding, 25 Aim, 19 Health]
    Fireworks Rocket - 10 (2) [2 Health, 2 Stamina, 2 Hiding, 2 Dodge, 2 Aim, 2 Leadership]
    Mustang - 12 (Because of Set bonus with Moccasins) [10 Hiding, 2 Dodge]

    Totals- Stamina (32), Hiding (42), Leadership (39), Aim (30), Dodge (62), Health (49)
    Points Given - 205 (254 With HP)

    Bonus Given
    ------------
    Stamina = 4.00
    Hiding = 4.45
    Leadership = 4.32
    Aim = 3.89
    Dodge = 5.21
    Shooting = 12.21
    Dodging = 14.01

    -Hit Only- (Sniper)

    For you people who want a hit only player, that hides behind people and hits a little more often, there's this:

    Precise Muzzle-loader - 2 [2 Aim]
    Black Felt Hat 13 (7) [13 Aim] (7 Health)
    Fancy Tie - 12 (11) [11 Leadership, 1 Stamina] (11 Health)
    Sunday Clothing - 13 [7 Leadership, 6 Stamina]
    Fancy Boots - 20 [2 Aim, 2 Leadership, 8 Stamina] (8 Hiding)
    Fancy Pistol Belt - 45 (3) [18 Stamina, 18 Leadership, 3 Aim] (3 Dodge, 3 Hiding, 3 Health)
    Grey leather pants - 31 (3) [28 Aim, 3 Stamina] (3 Health Points)
    Fireworks Rocket - 10 (2) [2 Stamina, 2 Aim, 2 Leadership] (2 Health, 2 Dodge, 2 hiding)
    Quarter Horse - 0
    *Note* If you don't have Fireworks rocket, equip Tequila and donkey for 1 stamina and Health.

    Totals- Stamina (38), Leadership (40), Aim (50), Dodge (5), Health (26) Hiding (13)
    Points Given - 128 (172 With Other Stats)

    Bonus Given
    ------------
    Stamina = 4.28
    Hiding = 2.78
    Leadership = 4.37
    Aim = 4.78
    Dodge = 1.90
    Shooting = 13.43
    Dodging = 9.05

    -Pure Health Points- (1 Skill Tank)


    For you pure health people, there's the top health gear and bonuses.

    No Weapon - 0
    Fancy Stetson - 2 (17) [17 Health] (1 aim, 1 Stamina)
    Fancy Tie - 12 (11) [11 Health] (10 leadership, 1 Stamina)
    Brown Coat - 0 (12) [12 Health]
    Sandals - 14 (8) [8 Health] (6 aim, 8 Dodge)
    Brown Skull belt - 1 (15) [15 Health] (1 Aim)
    Yellow leather pants - 4 (22) [22 Health Points] (4 Stamina)
    Tequila - *See Donkey*
    Donkey - 2 (2) [2 Health] (2 Stamina)

    Totals- Health (87) Stamina (8), Leadership (10), Aim (8), Dodge (8), Hiding (0)
    Points Given - 87 ( 121 With Other Stats)

    Bonus Given
    ------------
    Stamina = 2.29
    Hiding = 0
    Leadership = 2.51
    Aim = 2.29
    Dodge = 2.29
    Shooting = 7.09
    Dodging = 4.80

    -Dodge Tank- (Prototype)
    *I made a Mistake somewhere in here, I think...*

    For the people who want a high hp and high dodge player, here's this:

    Sharp Tomahawk - 6 [3 Dodge, 3 Hide]
    Brown Stetson - 14 (15) [15 Health, 12 Dodging] (2 Stamina)
    Brown tie - 15 (10) [10 Health, 6 Dodging, 8 Leadership] (1 Stamina)
    Black Leather jacket - 22 [11 Hiding, 11 Leadership]
    Moccasins - 22 [11 Hiding, 2 Dodge] (9 Stamina)
    Fancy soft leg guards - 59 (19) [32 Dodging, 2 Hiding, 19 Health] (25 Aim)
    Blue Pistol Belt - 40 [25 Dodge, 15 Hiding]
    Fireworks Rocket - 10 (2) [2 Health, 2 Hiding, 2 Dodge, 2 Leadership] (2 Aim, 2 Stamina)
    Mustang - 12 (Because of Set bonus with Moccasins) [10 Hiding, 2 Dodge]

    Totals- Health (46), Leadership (42), Dodge (84), Hiding (54), Stamina (14), Aim (27)
    Points Given - 226 ( 267 With Other Stats)

    Bonus Given
    ------------
    Stamina = 2.87
    Hiding = 4.93
    Leadership = 4.45
    Aim = 3.73
    Dodge = 5.88
    Shooting = 11.05
    Dodging = 15.26

    The Builds

    Note that I used my best clothes as a base, so these skill spreads might be interestingly distributed.

    All Around Build

    This should be the main build for everyone who fort fights, as it helps with both dodging and aiming. I personally recommend this build.

    Quick leveler Router: (Get XP jobs first, over being good at fort fights right away)

    Level 20: (20 AP, 60 SP)

    20 Strength
    45 Stamina
    8 Leadership
    7 Hiding

    Top 3 XP Jobs:
    Harvest Potatoes
    Well Drilling
    Printing Newspaper *The Western Star*

    Level 40: (40 AP, 120 SP)

    40 Strength
    45 Stamina
    68 Leadership
    7 Hiding

    Top 3 XP Jobs:
    Feed The Cattle
    Harvest Potatoes
    Build Railroad Station

    Level 60: (60 AP, 180 SP)

    60 Strength
    45 Stamina
    98 Leadership
    35 Hiding
    2 Dodging

    Top 3 XP Jobs:
    Construct Manor House
    COnstruct Ranch House
    Protecting the Track of Settlers

    Level 80: (80 AP, 220 SP)

    60 Strength
    20 Mobility
    45 Stamina
    98 Leadership
    35 Hiding
    15 Dodging
    27 Aim

    Top 3 XP Jobs:
    Construct Manor House
    Construct Ranch House
    Feed the Cattle

    Level 100: (100 AP, 280 SP)

    60 Strength
    40 Mobility
    45 Stamina
    98 Leadership
    35 Hiding
    15 Dodging
    67 Aim
    20 Health

    Top 3 XP Jobs:
    Construct Manor House
    COnstruct Ranch House
    Protecting the Track of Settlers

    Level 120: (120 AP, 340 SP)

    60 Mobility
    60 Strength
    45 Stamina
    20 Health
    15 Dodge
    107 Aim
    98 Leadership
    35 Hiding

    Construct Manor House
    Construct Ranch House
    Protecting the Track of Settlers

    Balanced Fort Fighting Route: (Equal distribution per level for best possible fort fighting ability at every level)

    Level 20: (20 AP, 60 SP)

    10 Mobility
    10 Strength
    10 Aim
    10 Dodge
    10 Health Points
    10 Hiding
    10 Stamina
    10 Leadership

    Level 40: (40 AP, 120 SP)

    20 Mobility
    20 Strength
    21 Aim
    15 Dodge
    21 Health Points
    21 Hiding
    21 Stamina
    21 Leadership

    Level 60: (60 AP, 180 SP)

    30 Mobility
    30 Strength
    31 Aim
    15 Dodge
    31 Health Points
    31 Hiding
    31 Stamina
    31 Leadership

    Level 80: (80 AP, 220 SP)

    40 Mobility
    40 Strength
    43 Aim
    15 Dodge
    40 Health Points
    35 Hiding
    43 Stamina
    44 Leadership

    Level 100: (100 AP, 280 SP)

    50 Mobility
    50 Strength

    72 Aim
    15 Dodge
    40 Health Points
    35 Hiding
    45 Stamina
    73 Leadership

    Level 120: (120 AP, 340 SP)

    60 Mobility
    60 Strength
    45 Stamina
    40 Health
    15 Dodge
    107 Aim
    98 Leadership
    35 Hiding

    *Note* You can do a switch of up to 15 strength to Mobility if you wish, just subtract 15 sp from hiding and dodge and add 15 to stamina and Health Points.

    At the end of either route, with the best clothes, you have a total of:

    137 Stamina
    149 Health
    137 Dodge
    137 Hiding
    137 Aim
    137 Leadership

    For a total of 1490 attribute given health (2235 with soldiers bonus, 2980 with premium soldier bonus), shooting bonus of 21.45 (+25 = 46.45) [if it turns out to be 20, 41.45], dodging bonus of 21.45 (+10 = 31.45). I believe that's quite impressive, it doesn't even take tower bonuses!

    Hit only build (Sniper):
    For people who just wanna hit people:

    XP Route:
    Level 20: (20 AP, 60 SP)

    20 Strength

    20 Stamina
    40 Leadership

    Top 3 XP Jobs
    Harvest Potatoes
    Well Drilling
    Printing Newspaper *the western Star*
    Level 40: (40 AP, 120 SP)

    40 Strength

    27 Stamina
    93 Leadership

    Top 3 XP Jobs:
    Construct Manor House
    Feed the Cattle
    Harvest Potatoes

    Level 60: (60 AP, 180 SP)

    60 Strength

    27 Stamina
    145 Leadership
    8 Aim

    Top 3 XP Jobs:
    Construct manor house
    Feed the Cattle
    Protecting the track of settlers

    Level 80: (80 AP, 220 SP)

    80 Strength

    27 Stamina
    145 Leadership
    14 Aim
    54 Health

    Top 3 XP Jobs:
    Construct manor house
    Construct Ranch House
    Protecting the track of settlers

    Level 100: (100 AP, 280 SP)

    100 Strength
    27 Stamina
    145 Leadership
    74 Aim
    54 Health

    Top 3 XP Jobs:
    Construct manor house
    Construct Ranch House
    Feed The Cattle

    Level 120: (120 AP, 340 SP)

    120 Strength

    27 Stamina
    54 Health
    134 Aim
    145 Leadership

    Top 3 XP jobs:
    Chasing Bandits
    Constructing Manor House
    Constructing Ranch House

    Balanced fort fight route:

    Level 20: (20 AP, 60 SP)

    20 Strength

    15 Stamina
    15 Health
    15 Aim
    15 Leadership

    Level 40: (40 AP, 120 SP)

    40 Strength

    27 Stamina
    31 Health
    31 Aim
    31 Leadership

    Level 60: (60 AP, 180 SP)

    60 Strength

    27 Stamina
    51 Health
    51 Aim
    51 Leadership

    Level 80: (80 AP, 220 SP)

    80 Strength

    27 Stamina
    54 Health
    79 Aim
    80 Leadership

    Level 100: (100 AP, 280 SP)

    100 Strength

    27 Stamina
    54 Health
    109 Aim
    110 Leadership

    Level 120: (120 AP, 340 SP)

    120 Strength

    27 Stamina
    54 Health
    134 Aim
    145 Leadership

    So either way you do it, with the best items, you get this:

    185 Stamina
    200 Health
    5 Dodge
    13 Hiding
    184 Aim
    185 Leadership

    For a total of 2000 attribute given health (3000 with soldiers bonus, 4000 with premium soldier bonus) shooting bonus of 24.17 (+25 = 49.17) [if it turns out to be 20, 44.17], dodging bonus of 12.74 (+10 = 22.74). Not bad if your focused on hitting opponents.

    HP Tank
    This ones straightforward, eat up hits as you brawl across the map. Only one way to do this one, considering theirs 1 skill

    Level 20 (20 AP, 60 SP)

    20 Strength
    60 Health

    Level 40 (40 AP, 120 SP)

    40 Strength
    120 Health

    Level 60 (60 AP, 180 SP)

    60 Strength
    180 Health

    Level 80 (80 AP, 240 SP)

    80 Strength
    240 Health

    Level 100 (100 AP, 300 SP)

    100 Strength
    300 Health

    Level 120 (120 AP, 360 SP)

    120 Strength
    360 Health

    So with bonuses you end up with:

    567 Health Points (woah!)
    128 Stamina
    10 Leadership
    8 Aim
    8 Dodge
    0 Hiding

    For a total of 5670 attribute given health (8505 with soldiers bonus, 11340 with premium soldier bonus) shooting bonus of 11.76 (+25 = 36.76) [if it turns out to be 20, 31.76], dodging bonus of 4.80 (+10 = 14.80). So this build can eat approximately... oh... 45 (250 avrg dmg) hits with soldiers premium.

    Dodge/Tank Hybrid
    This ones still prototypical, and has some mistakes in the build and clothing, but it gives you a good idea and it has a good shot at being a good shot absorber to be used on the point of a tower.

    Experience Path

    Level 20 (20 AP, 60 SP)

    20 Mobility
    60 Leadership

    Top XP Jobs:
    River Fishing
    Laying Railroad Tracks
    Cowboy

    Level 40 (40 Ap, 120 SP)

    40 Mobility
    120 Leadership

    Top XP Jobs:
    Construct Manor House
    Protecting the Track of Settlers
    Building Railroad Station

    Level 60 (60 AP, 180 SP)

    60 Mobility
    162 Leadership
    18 Hiding

    Top XP Jobs:
    Construct Manor House
    Hunt Buffalo
    Protecting the Track Of Settlers

    Level 80 (80 AP, 240 SP)

    80 Mobility
    162 Leadership
    30 Hiding
    48 Health

    Top XP Jobs:
    Guarding the Stagecoach
    Construct Manor House
    Hunting Wolves

    Level 100 (100 AP, 300 SP)

    100 Mobility
    162 Leadership
    30 Hiding
    108 Health

    Top XP Jobs:
    Guarding the Stagecoach
    Construct Manor House
    Hunting Wolves

    Level 120 (120 AP, 360 SP)

    120 Mobility

    168 Health
    30 Hiding
    162 Leadership

    Top 3 XP jobs:
    Guarding the Stage Coach
    White Water Transport
    Construct Manor House

    Balenced Path

    Level 20 (20 AP, 60 SP)

    20 Mobility

    20 Leadership
    20 Hiding
    20 Health

    Level 40 (40 Ap, 120 SP)

    40 Mobility

    45 Leadership
    30 Hiding
    45 Health

    Level 60 (60 AP, 180 SP)

    60 Mobility

    75 Leadership
    30 Hiding
    75 Health

    Level 80 (80 AP, 240 SP)

    80 Mobility

    105 Leadership
    30 Hiding
    105 Health

    Level 100 (100 AP, 300 SP)

    100 Mobility

    135 Leadership
    30 Hiding
    135 Health

    Level 120 (120 AP, 360 SP)

    120 Mobility

    168 Health
    30 Hiding
    162 Leadership

    At the end of either path with clothes you will end up with:

    14 Stamina
    214 Health
    204 Dodging
    204 Hiding
    27 Aim
    204 Leadership

    For a total of 2140 attribute given health (3210 with soldiers bonus, 4280 with premium soldier bonus) shooting bonus of 14.99 (+25 = 39.99) [if it turns out to be 20, 34.99], dodging bonus of 25.17 (+10 = 35.17).

    So there's all the basic build combos, and it doesn't stop there. If you build around clothes, you can take any items and combine their bonuses, then build up their stats to be the best possible with those clothes.

    Classes
    Now with the new class bonuses, the games been changed a little bit (no longer a soldierfest) Here's how to choose your class:
    Adventurer: Only really useful when your a dodge person who takes point all the time, and even then health might be of more worth.
    Worker: This is best for anyone who spends a lot of time in towers, considering you can have incredible bonuses when your on your classes tower.
    Soldier: Best for HP tanks and most players, gives more health and you can use better weapons earlier.
    Dueler: If you want a 1/10 shot of hitting a little more damage, take this, but it's easily the worst of the 4 classes.

    References

    In game tests
    West Stats
    West Insider

    I really did work hard making this, but it was really quite fun to do. I hope this ends up helping quite a few people, and that it helps change the way fort battles are fought. Good luck ~ Sauceysauce
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 14, 2012
  2. Sauceysauce

    Sauceysauce Guest

    This is the list of every item and it's fort fighting value next to it, so you can all mix and match =)
    *HP is in parentheses and isn't included in the numbers*

    -Hats-

    Red Headband - 0

    Grey Headband - 0
    Christmas Hat - 0
    Green Headband - 1
    Yellow Headband - 0
    Blue Headband - 0
    Grey Cap - 0
    Brown Headband - 0 (2)
    Black Headband - 0
    Grey Wolly Hat - 0
    Found Hat - 2
    Brown Cap - 0
    Black Cap - 3
    Blue Wooly hat - 0
    Yellow Woolly hat - 0
    Red Woolly hat - 5
    Green Woolly hat - 2
    Brown Woolly hat - 0
    Black Woolly hat - 0
    Fancy Cap - 10
    Grey Slouch hat - 0
    Fancy Woolly hat - 0
    Black Slouch hat - 1
    Brown Slouch hat - 4
    Grey Bowler Hat - 1
    Black Bowler Hat - 1
    Fancy Slouch hat - 13
    Grey felt hat - 10 (10)
    Fancy Bowler hat - 1
    Grey Top hat- 14
    Brown Felt Hat - 7 (13)
    Black Felt Hat 13 (7)
    Fancy Felt Hat - 19 (10)
    Blue top hat - 12
    Green top hat - 20
    Red top hat - 11 (1)
    Yellow Top hat - 15
    Grey Leather hat - 3
    Black Top Hat - 15
    Brown Top Hat - 10 (8)
    Lincoln's top Hat - 15
    Black leather hat - 2
    Brown Leather hat - 4
    Fancy Leather hat - 11
    Grey Stetson - 2 (14)
    Sombrero - 0 (6)
    Snowman's Hat - 9 (1)
    Black Stetson - 12 (13)
    Brown Stetson - 14 (15)
    Fancy Stetson - 2 (17)
    Night cap - 0
    Indian Feather hat - 14

    -Neckbands-


    Black Bandana - 0

    Brown Bandana - 0 (1)
    Green bandana - 0
    Grey Bandana - 0
    Red Bandana - 0
    Brown bow tie - 5 (1)
    Red bow tie - 1 (1)
    Blue Indian Necklace - 0
    Golden Indian Necklace - 4
    Grey Indian Necklace - 0
    Brown Bow - 7
    Yellow Bow - 0
    Yellow Indian Necklace - 0
    Yellow Bandana - 0
    Green Indian necklace - 0
    Red Indian Necklace - 2
    Grey Bow - 0
    Grey bow tie - 0
    Blue bow - 0
    Blue bandana - 1
    Plain iron Cross - 5 (1)
    Red Bow - 0 (4)
    Green Bow - 0
    Black bow - 0
    Yellow Bow tie - 0
    Green Bow tie - 0
    Blue bow tie - 6
    Black bow tie - 0
    Fancy Bow tie - 7 (1)
    Black Tie - 10 (8)
    Blue tie - 8 (8)
    Brown tie - 15 (10)
    Fancy Tie - 12 (11)
    Green tie - 8 (8)
    Grey tie - 11 (10)
    Red Tie - 10 (9)
    Yellow Tie - 9 (8)
    Silver Cross - 7 (1)
    Golden Cross - 10 (2)
    Stone Chain - 0
    Talisman - 0
    Metal Buffalo - 9 (2)
    Silver Buffalo - 11 (2)
    Golden Buffalo - 15 (3)
    Lead Bullet - 8 (2)
    Silver Bullet - 10 (2)
    Golden Bullet - 14 (3)
    Black Shawl - 4
    Blue Shawl - 3
    Brown Shawl - 9
    Green Shawl - 0
    Red Shawl - 0
    Grey Shawl - 2
    Yellow Shawl - 3
    Dust Rag - 3
    Winter Scarf - 1
    Mexican Bandana - 0
    Necklace of endearment - 15
    Holy Talisman - 15

    -Clothing-


    Grey Rags - 0

    Red rags - 0
    Blue rags - 0
    Green Rags - 0
    Yellow rags - 2
    Pink ballet tutu - 0
    Wool poncho - 0
    Black rags - 0
    Brown rags - 0
    Grey poncho - 5
    Blue Poncho - 7
    Red Poncho - 3
    Yellow Poncho - 3
    Green Poncho - 7
    Brown Poncho - 10
    Black Poncho - 3
    Clint's Poncho - 7
    Grey Clothing - 9
    Red Clothing - 6 (6)
    Yellow Clothing - 8
    Brown Clothing - 6
    Blue Clothing - 6
    Black Clothing - 10
    Sunday Clothing - 13
    Grey Shirt - 0
    Green Shirt - 0
    Yellow Shirt - 1
    Red Shirt - 0 (8)
    Blue shirt - 8
    Brown Shirt - 5
    Black Shirt - 1
    Green Clothing - 12
    Fancy Shirt - 1
    Grey checkered shirt - 1 (1)
    Blue checkered shirt - 0
    Green checkered shirt - 0
    Red checkered shirt - 1 (1)
    Yellow checkered shirt - 0
    Grey waistcoat - 0
    Black Checkered shirt - 0
    Brown checkered shirt - 1 (1)
    Flannel shirt - 9 (1)
    Black waistcoat - 9
    Brown Waistcoat - 2 (8)
    Fancy Waistcoat - 12
    Blue cotton jacket - 2
    Green cotton jacket - 10
    Grey cotton jacket - 0
    Red Cotton Jacket - 2 (2)
    Yellow Cotton Jacket - 9
    Grey Dress Coat - 3
    Black Cotton Jacket - 1
    Brown Cotton Jacket - 1 (1)
    Fancy Cotton Jacket - 11 (1)
    Black Dress Coat - 12
    Brown Dress Coat - 4
    Grey Leather Jacket - 15 (1)
    Fancy Dress Coat - 12
    Black Leather jacket - 22
    Brown Leather Jacket - 19 (2)
    Fancy Leather Jacket - 18 (1)
    Grey Coat - 2
    Brown Coat - 0 (12)
    Black Coat - 4
    Fancy Coat - 11
    Night Gown - 0
    Indian Clothing - 14

    -Shoes-


    Grey Ragged shoes - 0

    Black Ragged shoes - 4
    Brown Ragged shoes - 0
    Grey cotton shoes - 6 (1)
    Greenhorn Shoes - 1
    Brown Cotton Shoes - 9 (1)
    Black Cotton Shoes - 3
    Grey Work Shoes - 1
    Fancy Cotton Shoes - 5 (1)
    Black Work shoes - 1
    Brown Work shoes - 7
    Grey Spiked shoes - 2
    Fancy Work Shoes - 9
    Grey Boots - 2
    Black Spiked Shoes - 2
    Brown Spiked Shoes - 0
    Black Boots - 4
    Brown Boots - 12
    Fancy spiked shoes - 2 (8)
    Brown moccasins - 11
    Fancy Boots - 20
    Sandals - 14 (8)
    Grey riding boots - 3 (1)
    Thanksgiving boots - 8
    Black riding boots - 4
    Brown Riding Boots - 6 (2)
    Fancy Riding Boots - 14 (2)
    Charlatan's shoes - 4
    Moccasins - 22
    Slippers - 0

    -Belts-


    Grey wool belt - 1

    Yellow Wool belt - 0
    Green wool belt - 0
    Blue Wool belt - 0
    leather belt - 2
    Black wool belt - 1
    Brown wool belt - 2
    Fancy wool belt - 4
    Grey plaid belt - 1 (1)
    Yellow Plaid belt - 2
    John Butterfield's wool belt - 2 (1)
    Blue plaid belt - 0
    green plaid belt - 0
    Black plaid belt - 5
    Brown plaid belt - 6
    Fine grey belt - 0
    Fancy plaid belt - 6 (5)
    Fine blue belt - 6
    Fine yellow belt - 6 (5)
    Fine brown belt - 1 (1)
    fine green belt - 5
    Ned Buntline's plaid belt - 7
    Fancy fine belt - 7
    Fine Black Belt - 0
    Grey Buckled belt - 6
    Blue buckled belt - 0
    Yellow buckled belt - 7 (1)
    Thomas Hart Benton's fine belt - 2 (1)
    Brown buckled belt - 9
    Green Buckled Belt - 10
    Grey buffalo belt - 14
    Blue buffalo belt - 0
    Yellow buffalo belt - 1 (1)
    Black buckled belt - 4
    Fancy buckled belt - 0
    Green Buffalo belt - 0
    Grey studded belt - 0 (10)
    Black buffalo belt - 4
    Brown buffalo belt - 7 (7)
    Charles Goodnight's Buckled belt - 10
    Blue studded belt - 17
    Yellow studded belt - 0
    Fancy Buffalo belt - 4
    Brown studded belt - 0
    Green studded belt - 19
    Bill hickok's Buffalo belt - 11 (1)
    Grey Horse Belt - 10
    Black studded belt - 0
    Fancy Studded belt - 10
    Blue horse belt - 9
    Yellow Horse belt - 12 (3)
    Brown Horse Belt - 11 (1)
    Green Horse belt - 2 (8)
    Sam Houston's studded belt - 11
    Black Horse belt - 3 (1)
    Grey Eagle belt - 0
    Fancy Horse Belt - 8 (1)
    Blue Eagle Belt - 0
    Yellow Eagle Belt - 22
    Seth Bullok's horse belt - 12 (11)
    Brown eagle belt - 3
    Green eagle belt - 13
    Grey Cartridge belt - 2 (1)
    Fancy Eagle Belt - 25 (1)
    Black eagle belt - 0
    Blue cartridge belt - 20
    Yellow Cartridge belt - 0
    Green Cartridge belt - 0
    Al Swearengen's eagle belt - 0
    Black Cartridge belt - 3 (12)
    Brown Cartridge belt - 10
    Fancy Cartridge belt - 24
    Country belts - 10 (2)
    Grey Skull Belt - 0
    Calamity Jane's cartridge belt - 20 (12)
    Blue skull belt - 15
    Yellow Skull belt - 0
    Brown Skull belt - 1 (15)
    Green Skull Belt - 2
    Fancy Skull Belt - 20 (1)
    Black Skull Belt - 2 (1)
    Grey Pistol belt - 0
    Billy the Kid's Skull Belt - 30 (6)
    Yellow Pistol belt - 22 (5)
    Blue Pistol Belt - 40
    Green Pistol belt - 28 (5)
    Brown Pistol Belt - 10 (2)
    Black Pistol Belt - 5 (1)
    Fancy Pistol Belt - 45 (3)
    William Tilghman's Pistol Belt - 35 (19)

    -Pants-

    Torn Yellow Pants - 1
    Torn Grey Pants - 0
    Wool Pants - 0
    Torn Green Pants - 0
    Torn Blue Pants - 0
    Torn Black Pants - 2 (1)
    Torn Brown pants - 2
    Fancy Torn Pants - 3
    Jim's torn pants - 3
    Grey Shorts - 0
    Green shorts - 0
    Blue shorts - 0
    Yellow shorts - 12
    Black shorts - 7
    Brown shorts - 4 (1)
    Plain Grey Pants -3 (1)
    Frank Buttler's shorts - 14 (6)
    Plain green pants - 12
    Plain blue pants - 1 (1)
    Plain yellow pants - 9
    Plain Black Pants - 0
    Plain Brown Pants - 0
    Fancy Plain Pants - 3 (2)
    Grey knickerbockers - 10
    Huckleberry's plain pants - 0
    Green Knickerbockers - 11
    Blue knickerbockers - 9 (3)
    Yellow Knickerbockers - 1
    Black Knickerbockers - 16
    Fancy Knickerbockers - 0
    Washington Irving's knickerbockers - 8
    Grey plaid pants - 14 (1)
    Green Plaid pants - 2 (10)
    Blue plaid pants - 2
    Yellow Plaid pants - 3 (1)
    Black plaid pants - 4
    Brown plaid pants - 10
    Fancy plaid pants - 0
    Grey fur pants - 9
    Annie Oakley's plaid pants - 24 (9)
    Green fur pants - 3
    Blue fur pants - 10
    Yellow fur pants - 10 (2)
    Black fur pants - 12
    Brown fur pants - 11
    Fancy fur pants - 0
    Grey overalls - 3 (1)
    Green overalls - 12
    Blue Overalls - 0
    Yellow Overalls - 0
    Cheyenne's fur pants - 17
    Black overalls - 14
    Brown overalls - 16
    Fancy overalls - 4
    Grey linen pants - 13
    Green linen pants - 0
    Blue linen pants - 15
    Yellow linen pants - 0
    Bob Builder's overalls - 18 (1)
    Black linen pants - 25 (9)
    Brown linen pants - 5
    Grey knee breeches - 4
    Green knee-breeches - 14 (2)
    Blue knee- breeches - 4
    Yellow knee-breeches - 14
    Black knee-breeches - 19
    Brown knee-breeches - 4
    Fancy linen pants - 3 (2)
    William Masterson's linen pants - 25
    Fancy Knee-Breecjes - 4 (2)
    Grey Indian pants - 3 (3)
    Green Indian pants - 12
    Blue Indian pants - 4
    Yellow Indian Pants - 18 (2)
    Harmonica's knee-breeches - 31 (10)
    Grey leg guards - 1 (1)
    Black Indian pants - 2
    Brown Indian pants - 14 (10)
    Yellow leg guards - 15 (18)
    Blue leg guards - 14
    Green leg guards - 4
    Brown leg guards - 18
    Black leg guards - 2
    Fancy Indian pants - 20
    Grey army pants - 0
    Yellow army pants - 2
    Blue army pants - 36
    Green army pants - 17
    Fancy leg guards - 20 (3)
    Brown army pants - 3 (3)
    Black army pants - 5 (3)
    Billy the kid's leg guards - 26 (20)
    Sacajawea's pants - 24
    Grey jeans - 3
    Yellow jeans - 19 (2)
    Blue Jeans - 4
    Green Jeans - 2 (16)
    Fancy Army Pants - 42
    Grey leather pants - 31 (3)
    Brown Jeans - 37
    Black Jeans - 22 (2)
    Yellow leather pants - 4 (22)
    Blue leather pants - 8
    Green leather pants - 4
    Grey soft leg guards - 3
    Brown Leather pants - 38
    Black leather pants - 40
    George Crook's army pants - 6 (18)
    Yellow soft leg guards - 20
    Blue soft leg guards - 32 (20)
    Green soft Leg guards - 9
    Fancy jeans - 27
    Brown soft leg guards - 6 (3)
    Black soft leg guards -4
    Fancy leather pants - 11 (3)
    Fancy soft leg guards - 59 (19)
    Pat F. Garrett's Jeans - 31
    Cochise's leather pants - 32
    Buffalo Bill's leg guards - 35 (3)

    -Weapons-


    --Melee--

    Figaro's Razor Blade - 3
    Cody's dagger - 0 (4)
    Atho's foil - 6
    Nat's Machete - 6
    Sharp Tomahawk - 6
    Rusty Tomahawk - 5
    Tomahawk - 6
    Tashunka's Tomahawk - 8
    Golden Saber - 4
    Counterfeit Golden Saber - 2

    --Ranged--

    Rusty muzzle-loader - 1
    Muzzle loader - 1
    Precise Muzzle-loader - 2
    Drake's muzzle-loader - 4
    Rusty pepperbox revolver - 2
    Pepperbox revolver - 2
    Precise pepperbox revolver - 3
    Belle Starr's Deringer - 4
    Allan's pepperbox revolver - 11
    Ike's army revolver - 7
    Golden colt 4
    Billy's peacemaker 0 (8)
    Counterfeit golden colt - 2
    Wyatt Earp's Colt Buntline - 4 (4)
     
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  3. Ripett

    Ripett Well-Known Member

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    Just one observation... when you list items and their bonuses for Fort Fights you just add their bonuses without taking into account what skill they improve.

    Going by that Nat's Machette, Tomahawk, Sharp Tomahawk and Athos' Foil all have the same bonus [+6] so they appear to be of equal value to fort fighter. But Athos' Foil have +6 Stamina which only help with Shooting, while Tomahawk and Sharp Tomahawk have +3 Dodge & Hiding which only help with Dodging. At the same time Nat's Machette have +6 Leadership which help BOTH Shooting and Dodging making it far superior and best choice.

    And since Leadership is most valuable skill for Fort Fighter [followed by Health] maybe you should consider treating Leadership the same way you treated Health in your guide.

    But other than that minor observation... GREAT JOB! Excelent guide which will deffinatelly help alot to future fort fighters.
     
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  4. JoxerTM

    JoxerTM Guest

    OMG Saucey when will I make enough time to read it completely?! :)

    Well, players wanted a cookbook with recipes, you made one. Thanks.
     
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  5. l8dygaga

    l8dygaga Well-Known Member

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    A few things are off, but I think this one really needs to get fixed as it affects too many things:
    ...stamina is still for attacking and hiding is still for defending.

    Anyways, thanks for taking your time to write this.
     
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  6. Slygoxx

    Slygoxx The West Team Marshal

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    It's a nice guide, and you can see my opinion of it in the poll.


    One thing I wondered about though, how did you actually test this? Both the stam/hiding thing and the base bonus.
     
  7. JoxerTM

    JoxerTM Guest

    Sly it's not correct as gaga already noticed. If you're attacking, stamina bonus adds to both hitchance and dodgechance, but hiding is not used. But if you're defending, then hiding affect chances to dodge and hit, but stamina is ignored.
    I took some time ro read it (not thoroughly) and I've noticed that a build I use on w12 is not there, hehe, but no matter, you'll never find a cookbook with all existing recipes inside, right? ;)
    This is a good guide, although... HP monsters are still effective on worlds without (enough) duelers. ;)
     
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  8. Sauceysauce

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    I tested it in a maneuver battle on my own, but ill try it again and see if hiding does add any effect to dodge when attacking and vise versa (I had 0 hiding at the time lol, sorry, just re-speced)

    I did miss some builds, but I rushed to get this out a little quicker, and it's already quite long.
     
  9. Jouais

    Jouais Guest

    Yep, Gaga is right.

    Anyway, few minor things, but there's always stuff in this big of a guide that can be corrected. Good job Saucey.
     
  10. Grimniir

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    Wow, all this is really impressive work!!

    Please give us the heads up when you find out for sure how stamina and hiding works, okay?
     
  11. Ripett

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    Just tested it at actual attack... Attack and Defense figures I calculated myself using your formula and Stamina for both were the same game showed during fort fight [and it's +25 for Attack]. Didn't try it at actual defense yet but I believe it will use Hiding instead of Stamina for both.
     
  12. Grimniir

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    Which means it was correct all along, just as it was then?

    Ah well.....
     
  13. Ripett

    Ripett Well-Known Member

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    Skills used were correct but bonuses you get from them [and they are what really matter] were completely off... this bonus scale is correct.
     
  14. Grimniir

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    Yeah, but the big thing about this thread was how the skills were used. And when it seems they were correct anyhow, the builds posted are a bit off and whatever the total bonuses are we will still use the same equipment as before. :)
     
  15. JoxerTM

    JoxerTM Guest

    You will not use the same equipment as before.
    While defending if your hiding is low, you will use moccasins+mustang+blue pistol belt (IICC hiding boosted +36). If your hiding is not low, then you won't use that combo, but something that adds to things you don't have high.
    However, while attacking since you don't need hiding at all you should use donkey+sandals+green pistol belt.
    If your level is too low for those pistol belts (example - you're zero mot duelist), fancy eagle belt or calamity are probably the best belts you can use.

    Other equipment, does it depend if you're attacking or defending? I think not. No matter if I'm red or blue, I use these:
    1. Fancy felt hat
    2. Brown tie
    3. Black dress coat
    4. Thy rocket
    5. Tomahawk vulgaris till if lucky you get the gold set (ok, only on one world, on another I have Allen pepperbox)

    That's only my opinion ofc, you may do otherwise.
     
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  16. Grimniir

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    and how is this different from before?
     
  17. JoxerTM

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    Before this you had a belt? Awsome. I did not.
    Also, before new formulas I used HP bonus items, didn't care for skills.
     
  18. Mezonis

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    if you remember, zet then haven't gave answer in his dev post.
    tbh stamina for aim only would explain why STR based players hit with same ratio in attack/defense having no hiding. Towers are giving good bonus, but still.
    Suppose easily testable on beta with premium.
     
  19. l8dygaga

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    Oh, he did, but not in the comments section. He made a new post correcting his mistake, it's the post right after the one where the calculations are explained for the first time.
     
  20. Betaman1

    Betaman1 Guest

    Thank you for your guide, but your information does not coincide with what developer said:
    http://devblog.the-west.net/?p=402&lang=en

    ...
    On the last bugfix I wrote that the shooting attempt in the battle uses only aiming and leadership. This is wrong – it also uses endurance or hiding, depending on what side you play on. ...

    If this is right - all your guide is based on wrong premises and needs to be fixed from the start.

    And its possible to calculate exact formulas from this developers post yourself:
    http://devblog.the-west.net/?p=390&lang=en
     
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