Can someone please tell me...

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Come to think of it, I regret being alive while that monkey was president.
 

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If I could turn back time and somehow give my life to prevent that ape from ever becoming president, I would. What he did to this country and its reputation is beyond forgiveable. It's downright tragic.
 

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Are you not aware of what the world thinks of Americans after his two terms?
 

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World leaders wouldn't even shake his hand at the G8 Summit (I think that was the one, someone correct me if I'm wrong). He is an embarrassment to our country and a failure as a leader. He was an expert at fear mongering though. Got to give him props for that.
 

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His cabinet were experts at fear-mongering. Bush wasn't an expert at anything besides being arrogant and ignorant.
 

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dont know much abt american politics however, some of his statements are simply hilarious.. err.. change that to "most of his statements"
 

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Yep .. that one works. Thanks.

Anyone notice how fat Shatners got since Star Trek? Oops, sorry, off topic there. Please continue.
 

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Reading through this mostly partisan, biased, and mainstream(both right and left) led lynch mob, it leaves me nothing but disgust and there is no better person to explain my disgust than George Washington himself.

I have never understood the willingness to tear down and rip apart a teenage girl. Either by the media, people on this forum, or people in general.

Both parties have demonstrated the willingness to tear this country apart, whether it be by failed Republican foreign policies-or by the rush to socialistic programs paid by the tax poor citizens. They are all guilty of being in Corporate America's back pocket.

And to the contrary, anyone who is a stay-at-home mom, volunteer who beats out an incumbent in her own party to win the Gubernatorial Campaign is far from an idiot.

You may or may not like her policies, but if you think shes an idiot-run for Governor, and see how hard it is to do coming from nowhere.

As for Palin herself-the move to step down is a financial one. The ethics charges accounted for a large debt. She's worth an estimated 2-3 million in books and speaking engagements a years if she is not Governor. Shes worth her Government salary of I think 240,000 per year as Governor.
EXCERPT from the 1796 Farewell Address

...I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.


This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.


The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.


Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.


There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.


It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositaries, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.

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marcothy said:
I have never understood the willingness to tear down and rip apart a teenage girl. Either by the media, people on this forum, or people in general.
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Considering how Palin rowed in the media with Levi Johnston and the things he said about that teenage boy, I have little sympathy.

Oh, and the fact that she never took her running mate for president to task for making jokes about Chelsea Clinton also leaves me with very little sympathy. The fact is that she likes to try to play the victim. Well, considering what she said about Hillary Clinton, that doesn't work so well.

marcothy said:
And to the contrary, anyone who is a stay-at-home mom, volunteer who beats out an incumbent in her own party to win the Gubernatorial Campaign is far from an idiot.

You may or may not like her policies, but if you think shes an idiot-run for Governor, and see how hard it is to do coming from nowhere.
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Maybe...but she sure has said a lot of stupid things.

marcothy said:
As for Palin herself-the move to step down is a financial one. The ethics charges accounted for a large debt. She's worth an estimated 2-3 million in books and speaking engagements a years if she is not Governor. Shes worth her Government salary of I think 240,000 per year as Governor.
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That well may be true (we don't know the actual reason why she is stepping down). I have little sympathy for her in this, as well.
 

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Adelei-

I think you miss the point entirely about railroading a teenage girl in the public spotlight.

We each are accountable for our actions. You making justifications or excuses for it to happen belittles the point. I am not a Pro-Palin person. I am actually for very few people that are in politics.

Funny how in politics the 2 wrongs don't make a right logic goes completely out the window. So its fair game to rip a 19 year old apart for a obsurd and rediculous joke McCain made 10 years ago.:rolleyes:

Yea-George Washing was clueless about what a 2 party system would do to this country. Thanks for proving his point by taking a sub par stance on yours and their behavior based on party rivalry.
 

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marcothy said:
Adelei-

I think you miss the point entirely about railroading a teenage girl in the public spotlight.

We each are accountable for our actions. You making justifications or excuses for it to happen belittles the point. I am not a Pro-Palin person. I am actually for very few people that are in politics.

Funny how in politics the 2 wrongs don't make a right logic goes completely out the window. So its fair game to rip a 19 year old apart for a obsurd and rediculous joke McCain made 10 years ago.:rolleyes:
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No where did I claim that "two wrongs make a right". I said that I have very little sympathy with Palin... If she wants to complain about the media bringing her daughter into it, she better well make sure that she lives up to the same standard, herself. She did not. She had a very public row with a teenager and she campaigned with someone who made the president's teenage daughter into the butt of a joke. I don't give a crap if it was 20 years ago. SHE choose to make that association without questioning what McCain did.

Her daughter also likes to make silly public statements and certainly hasn't shied away from the limelight. I find it extremely hard to have sympathy for her, too.

EDIT: I think your defense of her and her inane excuses as she plays the victim is far below simply "sub par". I would give it an absolute zero...
 
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The point of it was Adelei-is if you find justification in one, where does it end. I don't recall asking for sympathy for them, nor providing excuses. I cannot stand blind partisan politics and it occurs on all ends of the spectrum, including libertarians even.

The fact of the matter is-grown people shouldn't be doing Character Assassinations on 18-19 year olds.

McCain was wrong/guilty of it. In what your saying- by lack of or no sympathy, is that you are ok with that since McCain did it first.

Which is probably why our government will be bankrupt beyond repair because politicians have quit serving and only play the games of tabloid style politics to get and keep elected. I hate all of them.
 

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marcothy said:
The point of it was Adelei-is if you find justification in one, where does it end.
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Again, I never talked about justification. Your projection of what you want my argument to be, fails.

marcothy said:
I don't recall asking for sympathy for them, nor providing excuses. I cannot stand blind partisan politics and it occurs on all ends of the spectrum, including libertarians even.
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Well, that's what Palin has been practicing. She put her family center stage right on the first night that she was announced as a candidate for Vice President (quite literally).

marcothy said:
In what your saying- by lack of or no sympathy, is that you are ok with that since McCain did it first.
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Wrong sir. I am saying that her cries of injustice are significantly reduced by the fact that she has done the very same actions herself and allied herself with those that have done those very same actions that she is playing the victim for.

It's a GAME to her. A political game. When it suits her, she cries about how unfair the media is to her family. When it suits her, she has a public row with a teenager. When it suits her, she allies herself with someone who made a crude joke about a teenager. When it suits her, she parades her family in the media. When it suits her, she blasts the media for covering her family.

And you, it seems, have bought completely into her little game...

marcothy said:
Which is probably why our government will be bankrupt beyond repair because politicians have quit serving and only play the games of tabloid style politics to get and keep elected. I hate all of them.
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I'm sure you were crying just as hard for Bill Clinton when his affair was exposed...or for Jonathan Edwards when his affair was exposed...
 
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