2.04 is on Beta

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The 'sure thing' jobs were implemented, my understanding is, because so many pure FF builds couldn't do enough jobs to get their dailies completed.
Now that everybody can do 'all jobs', there's no need for those 15-second jobs to have a 100% drop rate.
It's nice to have them handy, since (until now at least) their products had no use except for turning in for a bond; some days I get home from work around 11 and don't have time to queue a 90-minute daily job or two, and the 15-second jobs came in handy for getting the dailies done. Hopefully now there's another way to finish dailies with less than several hours' worth of work.
 

DeletedUser

Personally, I like it. Has revived my interest in the game significantly.

And product drop rates? Bring it on. It's demotivating to work and work and hardly find anything. It's demotivating to need tons and tons of items for crafting.

Flooding the market with lots more products? Go for it! I see nothing wrong with helping to reduce some of the ridiculous proces out there.

And remember, we're on the road to nowhere without new players. New players need to feel a sense of excitement when they start this game. If even a small teeny weeny part of doing that is to drop lots of items, exactly what is wrong with that?!?

Screw it, I vote for making the berries/cherries/sugar/wood/oranges/flour/wool/etc category drop rate go right insane, like 1000%.

Oh, and thanks Inno. A seriously great update. This player for one sure appreciates it.
 

DeletedUser30224

we also discussed some features and with the xp and money its like get 10k nugs active prem energy and income maybe automation to make it less clicking, and you can be level 120 within a week atleast a multimillionaire in what you find on stuff on jobs... in other words you will earn much more xp duh, but also money and value of items found in spending 180 nugs on energy then if you would spend those on a steel chest. i am not prem income or anything but i just earned 15k in 5 minutes with doing some 15 second jobs
I think you did you math very wrong, please abstain from doing so in the future. Ball park figures make sense, but some people might take you at face value with that week estimate of yours.

Here are some numbers:
15 sec jobs takes 2 energy and 2 motivation and gives at best around 80 exp for a golden pickaxe Hunting Grizzly bears with $45.
15 sec job of Serving in the army gives 78 exp and $95 on 3 silver pickaxe job.

So let's take something in the middle and say that you can earn 80 exp and $70 per a good exp job accessible at low lvls. SInce the primary goal is to lvl up, let's just do this job.

You are a premium player, since you have your 10k nuggets to spend, btw, that's stupid and only a very very very small minority will ever do that on a single world.

So, we have a premium world, 150 energy that we will be using 2 times per day (our chap has to sleep as well) and he'll buy some cigarettes for $700 to keep the motivation up.

150 energy / 2 = 75 times that is 150 times in a day * 7 day = 1050 * 80 = 84000 experience ... hardly lvl 120 material and I haven't even calculated the cost to buy all the required cigarettes needed to keep the motivation up. If the player keeps changing between 2-3 jobs, then the cigarettes are still needed but not in that great amount. Also, 1050 * $70 = $73500 ... hardly millionaire material as well.

Now if you decide to spend 18 nuggs for energy refill, where available of course, you will be able to spend 150 energy on 19 min, driving your motivation down to 25%. Imagine the sheer amount of cash needed to buy all the cigarettes to keep the motivation up for let's say 3 jobs in order to refil your energy every 19-50 min (with travel time between jobs). Now remember, you character spends all the money on cigarettes, which are magically available on the market constantly for your needs, and that means you are not wearing anything important to help you with the badly needed LP's you'll need for your jobs.

Also you need to be at a certain lvl to be able to do high xp jobs, that learning curve is not even calculated in this scenario ... so please I invite you to reconsider posting rubbish about 1 week lvl 120 and millionaire status when it is mathematically impossible if you take into account all the things required.

You were always good with numbers and did you homework before posting, and indeed much of your remaining information in this quoted post in informative, however some people will take it at face value that indeed it is possible to lvl up to lvl 120 in such a short time, when at best it takes weeks to do so.
 
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DeletedUser35597

Hope someone can help me. I know all the quests were canceled at roll out, but I can not get them back. I have checked the saloon, and those quests I had to travel to get, I have traveled again, but they are not offering the quests again. Is there something I am missing.
 

DeletedUser

I think you did you math very wrong, please abstain from doing so in the future. Ball park figures make sense, but some people might take you at face value with that week estimate of yours.

Here are some numbers:
15 sec jobs takes 2 energy and 2 motivation and gives at best around 80 exp for a golden pickaxe Hunting Grizzly bears with $45.
15 sec job of Serving in the army gives 78 exp and $95 on 3 silver pickaxe job.

So let's take something in the middle and say that you can earn 80 exp and $70 per a good exp job accessible at low lvls. SInce the primary goal is to lvl up, let's just do this job.

You are a premium player, since you have your 10k nuggets to spend, btw, that's stupid and only a very very very small minority will ever do that on a single world.

So, we have a premium world, 150 energy that we will be using 2 times per day (our chap has to sleep as well) and he'll buy some cigarettes for $700 to keep the motivation up.

150 energy / 2 = 75 times that is 150 times in a day * 7 day = 1050 * 80 = 84000 experience ... hardly lvl 120 material and I haven't even calculated the cost to buy all the required cigarettes needed to keep the motivation up. If the player keeps changing between 2-3 jobs, then the cigarettes are still needed but not in that great amount. Also, 1050 * $70 = $73500 ... hardly millionaire material as well.

Now if you decide to spend 18 nuggs for energy refill, where available of course, you will be able to spend 150 energy on 19 min, driving your motivation down to 25%. Imagine the sheer amount of cash needed to buy all the cigarettes to keep the motivation up for let's say 3 jobs in order to refil your energy every 19-50 min (with travel time between jobs). Now remember, you character spends all the money on cigarettes, which are magically available on the market constantly for your needs, and that means you are not wearing anything important to help you with the badly needed LP's you'll need for your jobs.

Also you need to be at a certain lvl to be able to do high xp jobs, that learning curve is not even calculated in this scenario ... so please I invite you to reconsider posting rubbish about 1 week lvl 120 and millionaire status when it is mathematically impossible if you take into account all the things required.

You were always good with numbers and did you homework before posting, and indeed much of your remaining information in this quoted post in informative, however some people will take it at face value that indeed it is possible to lvl up to lvl 120 in such a short time, when at best it takes weeks to do so.

you forget you can buy bond buffs on any world which also increase energy + motivation... and 10k nugs? heck on dakota there were people who spend 100k within those first 2 weeks of the worlds, so its nothing special, also you presume you only go 1 job but ofcourse you will diversify, also about the money, i did several 15 second rushes with my w11 account not even premium just doing 50 of those on a row, and you will be surprised by the amount of products and more importantly items i find, i earned abt 20k by just selling those items to the trader, thats worth well even on expensive worlds 20 filtered cigs= 140% work motivation increase despite only having spend 100% work mot on 1 job. 150 energy you can spend in 15 minutes, thats why i mentioned the energy refills you just refill energy 10-20 times on a day and crash course on 15 second jobs and they will give tons of money, xp and items.

but its a thesis i will go and find someone who's willing to test it and has some nuggets reserved for it, but i am quite sure, ok maybe level 100 in 1 week is easily possible with this new system
 

DeletedUser22685

Hope someone can help me. I know all the quests were canceled at roll out, but I can not get them back. I have checked the saloon, and those quests I had to travel to get, I have traveled again, but they are not offering the quests again. Is there something I am missing.

You're missing this link.
 

DeletedUser17612

yes, quests have higher level requirements.
so if your level is not high enough, you will not be able to get it just now.

EDIT:: i see futu was faster
 

DeletedUser20647

I think you did you math very wrong, please abstain from doing so in the future. Ball park figures make sense, but some people might take you at face value with that week estimate of yours.
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80xp per 15 seconds
1.75m exp to level 120, right? that'll take about 91 hours.

22k jobs in this time, doable with 10500 nuggets if you spend it all on mate tea, using tea every 75 jobs. you make $1.5m in this time.

really, the only problem is the time it takes IRL! 13 hours a day!

EDIT: 1.5m could possibly buy you enough crafting products to increase motivation & energy? not sure if this is viable though, because of the 10 minute cooldown.
 
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DeletedUser30224

1.75m exp to level 120, right? that'll take about 91 hours.

22k jobs in this time, doable with 10500 nuggets if you spend it all on mate tea, using tea every 75 jobs. you make $1.5m in this time.

really, the only problem is the time it takes IRL! 13 hours a day!

EDIT: 1.5m could possibly buy you enough crafting products to increase motivation & energy? not sure if this is viable though, because of the 10 minute cooldown.

Did you also start your character at lvl 1? Cause that is where we all start. If you find a job that will give you 80 xp at lvl 1 or in fact under lvl 30 maybe it is possible.

It is irrelevant, the nugget munchers were always first, or almost always, they are the richest players on the world and have it all, how can you compete with that I do not understand, so even if this update speeds their progress, it speeds the progress of non premium players.

And the majority of a work are non premium players, or players that would not sell their legg to be at the first position under 2 weeks.

It's crazy, theoretically possible yes, but does that mean someone will do it? I hope so, I really do, Inno Games would be happy :p
 

DeletedUser20647

Did you also start your character at lvl 1? Cause that is where we all start. If you find a job that will give you 80 xp at lvl 1 or in fact under lvl 30 maybe it is possible.

It is irrelevant, the nugget munchers were always first, or almost always, they are the richest players on the world and have it all, how can you compete with that I do not understand, so even if this update speeds their progress, it speeds the progress of non premium players.

And the majority of a work are non premium players, or players that would not sell their legg to be at the first position under 2 weeks.

It's crazy, theoretically possible yes, but does that mean someone will do it? I hope so, I really do, Inno Games would be happy :p
Level 1 to 40-45 can be done really fast.. you know that too, I'm sure. At that point, you can use the casino/mission/ranch/manor site till level 120.

Also, you seem to think that 10k nuggets is very rare, but I know for a fact A LOT of people have spent that on more than 1 world. And I'm not only talking about the top 100 players.

I'd also like to see someone do this.... if only there was some super automation premium that would allow people to queue like 500 jobs + consumables! :D
 

DeletedUser30224

Level 1 to 40-45 can be done really fast.. you know that too, I'm sure. At that point, you can use the casino/mission/ranch/manor site till level 120.

Also, you seem to think that 10k nuggets is very rare, but I know for a fact A LOT of people have spent that on more than 1 world. And I'm not only talking about the top 100 players.

I'd also like to see someone do this.... if only there was some super automation premium that would allow people to queue like 500 jobs + consumables! :D

You are deluding yourself .. top 100 might have spent that amount but not on the sole purpose to become lvl 120. They spent on other jewels such as Christmas tombola and Easter Showdown.
 

DeletedUser8627

1.75m exp to level 120, right? that'll take about 91 hours.

22k jobs in this time, doable with 10500 nuggets if you spend it all on mate tea, using tea every 75 jobs. you make $1.5m in this time.

really, the only problem is the time it takes IRL! 13 hours a day!

EDIT: 1.5m could possibly buy you enough crafting products to increase motivation & energy? not sure if this is viable though, because of the 10 minute cooldown.

Take a level 1 character to level 120 in 4 days and I'll give you a prem chest.

The probability of getting this right is below 10%, you do realize there are a lot of factors involved in this right?
 

DeletedUser20647

Take a level 1 character to level 120 in 4 days and I'll give you a prem chest.

The probability of getting this right is below 10%, you do realize there are a lot of factors involved in this right?
4 days!? we were talking about 1 week! And I didn't say I was going to do it :p

don't think I realize, no... what factors? ah, doesn't matter, its not like anyone is going to do this anyhow.
 
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delldell56

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i wanna see it. i've seen gaga power level a couple of times, just never to lvl120 (because she couldn't care enough to stay). come on, girl, take the challenge!

and zd, it's quite possible. she spent over 8k to get the gg in 2 weeks before the buffs were introduced, in an old world. and elmyr --without rushing or overspending-- got a gg from zero in less than a month, with that character he moved to arizona and that you know too well, because in his first month there he overpowered everybody else in westforts. it's not delusion.
 

Deleted User - 1693871

Yep, if anyone can do this Gaga is the one, and looks like Zeta's on the money with his maths.
 

DeletedUser12669

if miss gaga has loads of real life cash im sure she could get to level 120 real fast but coss of the moronic amount of damage you get on the high end jobs its going to cost a whole load of bonds and nuggets for the buffs to restore health and energy and this is the darkside of v2.04 a real cash cow for inno good for them bad for us:hmf:
 

DeletedUser30224

if miss gaga has loads of real life cash im sure she could get to level 120 real fast but coss of the moronic amount of damage you get on the high end jobs its going to cost a whole load of bonds and nuggets for the buffs to restore health and energy and this is the darkside of v2.04 a real cash cow for inno good for them bad for us:hmf:

Why is that? We didn't have premium users before 2.4? What can premium users do that they couldn't before? And if the beneficial difference applies, does it not applies to all users? Stop talking nonsense please.
 

DeletedUser12669

they can do just the same zd3no only now if they want to power up to 120 its gonna cost more, motivation drops faster and the injurys are worse therefor if you wish to level up fast your gonna need more buffs, i got ko'd for the first time ever doing transport ammo it only took 3x 15s
 

delldell56

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ok, i should stay away from this now before i get dragged into heated discussions involving how overpowering nugget players are and blah blah blah. however, i want to say one last thing. not sure where deadleg plays and who he plays with, but the people you play with really make a huge difference in your own way to play and level up.

playing with good, savvy players means that they can help you with a build (how to allocate your skills to power level, what jobs to focus on and for how long), with certain buffs (they are either crafters or know crafters who could pass some character buffs to unlock jobs or to give you more energy or hp or motivation), or with gear that you couldn't afford. that way, even without using bonds or nuggets, you would be able to work on dangerous jobs without getting ko'd. you just need to learn how to manage your energy and health in a wiser way. if you, on the other hand, play alone or with a selfish team, i bet it's going to be tough even if you spend tons of nuggets.

power level from 0 to 120 isn't as hard as it sounds, unless of course you want to do it in a week. and you can do it overspending or through smart planning that involves getting you playing the west around the clock 24/7.
 

Deleted User - 1278415

Take a level 1 character to level 120 in 4 days and I'll give you a prem chest.

The probability of getting this right is below 10%, you do realize there are a lot of factors involved in this right?

Just a premium chest??? how about name an item after us in the game. Then we might consider it. Although I can see it now The l8dygaga pink tutu
 
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