The West EN Census

NovaStar

Well-Known Member
"do nothing at all but log in and keep building on church..." That is being active. If someone is logging in and doing anything at all in the way of manipulating their character into an action of any type, that is being active. In fact, that is probably more activity than someone who only logs in to sign up for a fort battle, logging 24 hours later for the battle and then disappearing until the next battle., doing absolutely nothing in between battles to contribute to the world in any way.

Just a difference of opinion there, Nova. :)
Actually, @Reyne ...I'm in TOTAL agreement with you (I'm one of the ones building church in between ff's). That was my response to Clever Hans original post, wondering what they consider active...

I've done all the quests I care to do (for now)...I do not have patience, buffs or time to sit and do 15s jobs for 8-10 hours a day; however, building church 24/7 (minus the time for ff's) is the best/fastest way I know to continue leveling (especially now the cap is raised so high). I do consider myself an active player, though...but what is considered active in the original post to this thread?
 

RaiderTr

Well-Known Member
The numbers on his posts are the people that can be seen on Ranks aka not deleted temporarily/permanently ..

Otherwise he can't possibly know how many are playing "for real" or just visiting for few minutes or so..
 

Annie-Bell

Well-Known Member
The numbers on his posts are the people that can be seen on Ranks aka not deleted temporarily/permanently ..

Otherwise he can't possibly know how many are playing "for real" or just visiting for few minutes or so..

minus of course 1 for the writer account who is collecting info that only players in worlds can see detail (unless is part of inno staff) as wouldnt define as "active" or "contributing" to game.


..... lol just to clarify for negative nancy's :D .. yeah agreed there is no way to define what is considered "active" or how many based on ranks alone. :D
Other things that clearly show is number of people in saloons, number of ff's, numbers IN ff's (excluding the inno awesomia or one player town digs), how often ff's, if there is market activity, if there are crafters around to craft, how long takes to get event currency/event gear.

Will do yet another suggestion to inno of pls look at having an "npc" crafter in some of smaller worlds by Angus npc maybe that people can access instead of running into issue of cant do any quests cause cant get certain types of crafts!! Regardless of interested in ff's or not, lets think of ways to make game do-able for those stuck in non active worlds !!! :)
 
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Clever Hans

Well-Known Member
The numbers are taken from the world rankings when I make the updates. And for definition of an "active" player, I can't know whether these accounts are currently active or not. I picked lvl 15 as a lower cutoff since they had to be active at some point to reach that level. And main motivation for these world stats was to see how the numbers on the ranking change over time (impact of bigger updates, opening of the new worlds etc). Hope that makes it more clear. ;)

P.s. I don't get any help/rewards from Inno for this. Lol
 

DeletedUser15368

They have many tools to do it better anyhow :-D
"ah yes - no battle, no duels, no chat, no market, but 3000 clicks per week, 80 new achievements and 168 hours of church construction per player per week. This is the most active world i've ever seen!"
- Innogames employee who never played this game
 

RaiderTr

Well-Known Member
That sums it up pretty well I guess.
Assuming they actually check the numbers/statistics that is.
 

asdf124

Well-Known Member
The numbers are taken from the world rankings when I make the updates. And for definition of an "active" player, I can't know whether these accounts are currently active or not. I picked lvl 15 as a lower cutoff since they had to be active at some point to reach that level. And main motivation for these world stats was to see how the numbers on the ranking change over time (impact of bigger updates, opening of the new worlds etc). Hope that makes it more clear. ;)

P.s. I don't get any help/rewards from Inno for this. Lol
Actually, the valentines/day of the dead events gives a somewhat better idea what minimum activity is(login, job and log out. )
 

Reyne

Well-Known Member
Will do yet another suggestion to inno of pls look at having an "npc" crafter in some of smaller worlds by Angus npc maybe that people can access instead of running into issue of cant do any quests cause cant get certain types of crafts!! Regardless of interested in ff's or not, lets think of ways to make game do-able for those stuck in non active worlds !!! :)

This is actually a good idea. Sometimes it's difficult to find someone online due to different time zones when you need crafted items for quests, or when you need to have crafted items to improve your own craft level.
 

DeletedUser15368

A little tiny mini-census just to highlight some things until Han's next full one:

VS Jan 10.
World Name
Number of lvl15+ accounts
Number of lvl150 accounts
Number of lvl180 accounts
Top ranked exp player
Arizona
874 (+15)
507 (+4)
57
challenger-71 365,9M exp (lvl 202)
Colorado
1915 (+75)
483 (-1)
46
benben7 410,6M exp (lvl 205)
Las Vegas
940 (-100)
31 (+4)
-
chigra 75,6M exp (lvl 167)
Montana
1072 (-22)
4 (+2)
-
rndm 36,4M exp (lvl 155)

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  • Montana may have already peaked, and is in decline.
  • Further continuation of the trend where the previous world is abandoned when a new world opens.
  • The old fort worlds are still growing, even without migrations.
  • We really need migrations from the dead worlds to Az, Co, or a new Migration World as an alternative to a new world though.
Mini-Census 2 vs Feb 17
World Name
Number of lvl15+ accounts
Number of lvl150 accounts
Number of lvl180 accounts
Top ranked exp player
Arizona
904 (+30)
525 (+18)
101 (+44)
challenger-71 379M exp (lvl 203)
Colorado
1881 (-34)
491 (+8)
58 (+12)
benben7 432,8M exp (lvl 207)
Las Vegas
869 (-71)
31 (-)
-
chigra 83M exp (lvl 168)
Montana
1002 (-70)
4 (-)
-
rndm 43M exp (lvl 158)

  • Arizona is hot right now - last 3 battles;
    • 103 vs 102
    • 95 vs 93
    • 95 vs 94
  • The median level is shifting higher on Colo, although there is still an incredibly low average level compared to the top players (lots of newer accounts);
    • ~180 signups for both teams at the last battle
    • Full Large battles & off-Prime smalls
  • New worlds are quite stagnant and in rapid decline
    • Messy Small forts on LV
    • Un-full Medium forts on M
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Goober Pyle

The West Team
Fort Balancing Strategist
This is actually a good idea. Sometimes it's difficult to find someone online due to different time zones when you need crafted items for quests, or when you need to have crafted items to improve your own craft level.
Unfortunately, on a standing basis this is just not possible.

However, I will keep pushing for a periodic in-game "contest" based loosely around this old one https://forum.the-west.net/index.php?threads/up-for-hire.55901/ which could fill this need
 

Clever Hans

Well-Known Member
Stats on April 10th 2023 (vs previous count on Feb 25th)

Worlds with Union:

World Name
Number of lvl15+ accounts
Number of lvl150+ accs
Number of lvl180+ accs
Top ranked exp player
Arizona
906 (+23)
531 (+26)
108 (+26)
Challenger-71
386,9M (lvl 203)
Briscoe
412 (-6)
264 (=)
54 (+15)
Doc Scurlock
303,8M (lvl 197)
Colorado
1887 (-38)
487 (+3)
66 (+17)
benben7
441,5M (lvl 207)
Dakota
427 (+7)
234 (+2)
15 (+3)
Johnny45s
329,7M (lvl 199)
El Dorado
341 (-7)
204 (-4)
18 (+3)
pghracer
247,9M (lvl 191)
Fairbank
536 (-5)
321 (-6)
34 (+11)
silverlady1
264,2M (lvl 193)
Galveston
257 (+5)
104 (+1)
2 (=)
Elvis.
210,7M (lvl 187)
Houston
274 (+8)
118 (+4)
0 (=)
Wicker24
140,1M (lvl 178)
Idaho
374 (-8)
115 (+4)
4 (+2)
Mary Jane Read
265,6M (lvl 193)

Worlds without Union:

World Name
Number of lvl15+ accounts
Number of lvl150+ accs
Number of lvl180+ accs
Top ranked exp player
Juarez
441 (-15)
71 (+9)
1 (=)
Luke Cow Walker
199,7M (lvl 186)
Kansas
652 (-27)
56 (+1)
1 (=)
Luke Cow Walker
164M (lvl 182)
Las Vegas
863 (-67)
31 (+2)
0 (=)
chigra
87,9M (lvl 169)
Montana
988 (-44)
5 (+1)
0 (=)
rndm
46,2M (lvl 159)
 

DeletedUser15368

30/05/23 (previous 10/4/23)
Substituted lvl 15 with lvl 40, because that's what's required for migrations.
There's not much difference anyway and it takes like a a couple of days to hit lvl 40 now...

Under each World Name, I've also added some designations, which are based on my opinions of the data, and playing the game.
  • PvP worlds are healthy worlds, which are also good, if not better, for PvE playstyles
  • PvE worlds have some PvP on them too, which is necessary for the game to function
  • dead worlds have no or very low quality PvP

Worlds with Union:
World Name
Number of lvl40+ accounts
Number of lvl150+ accs
Number of lvl180+ accs
Top ranked exp player
Arizona
best PvE world
878
559 (+28)
137 (+29)
Challenger-71
406.9M (lvl 205)
Briscoe
PvE
389
263 (-1)
64 (+10)
Doc Scurlock
314.4M (lvl 197)
Colorado
best fort battles
best PvP world
1537
478 (-9)
83 (+19)
benben7
467.6M (lvl 209)
Dakota
PvP
428
247 (+13)
19 (+4)
Johnny45s
347.0M (lvl 200)
El Dorado
dead
311
206 (+2)
23 (+5)
pghracer
264.4M (lvl 193)
Fairbank
PvE
539
332 (+1)
42 (+8)
silverlady1
279.6M (lvl 194)
Galveston
registration closed
outward migrations
198
79 (-25)
2 (=)
Elvis.
224.8M (lvl 189)
Houston
registration closed
outward migrations
198
81 (-37)
0 (=)
Wicker24
146.8M (lvl 179)
Idaho
dead
348
118 (+3)
9 (+5)
Mary Jane Read
283.9M (lvl 195)

Worlds without Union:
World Name
Number of lvl40+ accounts
Number of lvl150+ accs
Number of lvl180+ accs
Top ranked exp player
Juarez
3rd best fort battles
PvP
424
92 (+21)
1 (=)
Luke Cow Walker
216.5M (lvl 188)
Kansas
dead
536
56 (=)
1 (=)
Luke Cow Walker
179.9M (lvl 184)
Las Vegas
PvE
671
30 (-1)
0 (=)
chigra
100.9M (lvl 172)
Montana
2nd Fort Battles
PvP
681
9 (+14)
0 (=)
rndm
59.6M (lvl 163)

Beta Worlds:
World Name
Number of lvl15+ accounts
Number of lvl150+ accs
Number of lvl180+ accs
Top ranked exp player
zz1
PvE
1027
492
105
The-Iceman
566.2M (lvl 215)
zz3
251
123
15
Rocket
265.1M (lvl 193)
  • zz1 has the highest level player in the English-speaking game and is the 2nd most active game world.
  • zz1 and zz3 have a permanent migration route between the two worlds.

Classic World:
World Name
Total Accounts
Level 2+
Level 10+
Level 20+
Playtopia
896
525
322
158
  • The highest level on classic now is 28.
  • Most players won't join a month-long world.
  • Currently the best version of the game available to play.
  • Closes 5/6/23

Fort Battle Data:
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More information available at: https://thathanka.grafana.net/public-dashboards/abf214194bee4c98977bdae452567420?orgId=1
 
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DoUzOs

Active Member
30/05/23 (previous 10/4/23)
Substituted lvl 15 with lvl 40, because that's what's required for migrations.
There's not much difference anyway and it takes like a a couple of days to hit lvl 40 now...

Under each World Name, I've also added some designations, which are based on my opinions of the data, and playing the game.
  • PvP worlds are healthy worlds, which are also good, if not better, for PvE playstyles
  • PvE worlds have some PvP on them too, which is necessary for the game to function
  • dead worlds have no or very low quality PvP

Worlds with Union:
World Name
Number of lvl40+ accounts
Number of lvl150+ accs
Number of lvl180+ accs
Top ranked exp player
Arizona
best PvE world
878
559 (+28)
137 (+29)
Challenger-71
406.9M (lvl 205)
Briscoe
PvE
389
263 (-1)
64 (+10)
Doc Scurlock
314.4M (lvl 197)
Colorado
best fort battles
best PvP world
1537
478 (-9)
83 (+19)
benben7
467.6M (lvl 209)
Dakota
PvP
428
247 (+13)
19 (+4)
Johnny45s
347.0M (lvl 200)
El Dorado
dead
311
206 (+2)
23 (+5)
pghracer
264.4M (lvl 193)
Fairbank
PvE
539
332 (+1)
42 (+8)
silverlady1
279.6M (lvl 194)
Galveston
registration closed
outward migrations
198
79 (-25)
2 (=)
Elvis.
224.8M (lvl 189)
Houston
registration closed
outward migrations
198
81 (-37)
0 (=)
Wicker24
146.8M (lvl 179)
Idaho
dead
348
118 (+3)
9 (+5)
Mary Jane Read
283.9M (lvl 195)

Worlds without Union:
World Name
Number of lvl40+ accounts
Number of lvl150+ accs
Number of lvl180+ accs
Top ranked exp player
Juarez
3rd best fort battles
PvP
424
92 (+21)
1 (=)
Luke Cow Walker
216.5M (lvl 188)
Kansas
dead
536
56 (=)
1 (=)
Luke Cow Walker
179.9M (lvl 184)
Las Vegas
PvE
671
30 (-1)
0 (=)
chigra
100.9M (lvl 172)
Montana
2nd Fort Battles
PvP
681
9 (+14)
0 (=)
rndm
59.6M (lvl 163)

Beta Worlds:
World Name
Number of lvl15+ accounts
Number of lvl150+ accs
Number of lvl180+ accs
Top ranked exp player
zz1
PvE
1027
492
105
The-Iceman
566.2M (lvl 215)
zz3
251
123
15
Rocket
265.1M (lvl 193)
  • zz1 has the highest level player in the English-speaking game and is the 2nd most active game world.
  • zz1 and zz3 have a permanent migration route between the two worlds.

Classic World:
World Name
Total Accounts
Level 2+
Level 10+
Level 20+
Playtopia
896
525
322
158
  • The highest level on classic now is 28.
  • Most players won't join a month-long world.
  • Currently the best version of the game available to play.
  • Closes 5/6/23

Fort Battle Data:
QYYKOxS.png


More information available at: https://thathanka.grafana.net/public-dashboards/abf214194bee4c98977bdae452567420?orgId=1
I love all this data and charts etc, it can definitely be used by moderators to make adjustments to servers, based on FFs and stuff.
Did you do this all by hand? Or some kind of program/code? I'd really love to see sth like this on my region's servers.
 

sheep1

Member
So my question is very simple but none of the gm's is giving me a clear answer... '' You say that you try to make better the game day by day but you have a world (Kansas) with 30 max active players try to survive and ''enjoy'' (enjoy what? on a dead world? ) the game.. We have done everything from our part.. we spoke with you (gm's via chat) and we have analyzed the situation many times... we sent officially tickets, we sent oficially emails to the central inno's office's but nobody does anything to protect us and help us. Recendly you open migrations from two dead world why you didnt include Kansas on the migrations? or why you didnt close Kansas as well? What are you waitting for? the 30 players to become 15 in order to pay attention to what we are telling you for over 1 year? The game policy is the same for all kind of games. If you want to make the game better you have to pay attention on player's point of view as well otherwise the game has no future. Either you want it or not. G-i-v-e us the chance to enjoy the game again. Kansas and some other worlds are dead.. this is not gonna change at all either you close those worlds and allow us to move on a more active world helping the overall situation to become better or if you dont want to do it tell us to delet from now our characters and not wait for anything. Lastly, what is the point of the foroum? I see everyday great ideas from a variety of players and the gm's are not even reply or pay attention to those ideas in order to put some effort to make it happen...
 
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