Discussing how we can improve Fort Battle rebalancing

martoru

Well-Known Member
Respectfully, I have been in the Community Management team of The West for more than 3 years. In the last weeks, months I heard many complains about FF rebalancing, but no one has volunteered to join us and help us to have better balanced battles. I invited him to the team because I noticed that was very proactive in FF matters on the forum. The possibility is there for everyone to apply to join our team, if you think having more people discussing this matter could help and improve FF.

Currently we are still in the progress of evaluating this situation. As soon as we have a decision, I will share with you. Until then thank you for your patience.
problem is syntex, if you could answer, why you or who did it, took decsion to trow 100 new lvl in one moment and not 20 at each 6 months

did you think at FF balance when do you did that

because not groober made this situation

if yo ask me, the one who took that decision should be evaluated....
 

Syntex

The West Team
Community Manager
problem is syntex, if you could answer, why you or who did it, took decsion to trow 100 new lvl in one moment and not 20 at each 6 months

did you think at FF balance when do you did that

because not groober made this situation

if yo ask me, the one who took that decision should be evaluated....
Initially we had the plans to introduce them as you stated, however due to technical reasons the decision to implement all at once had to be made. We are currently working on rebalancing Fort Fights, a change to the formula will come with this update.
 

Cactus Poke

Member
There would be no large battles on Colorado if Goob had not worked to get some balance back by establishing reasonable caps. I am sorry if a few players did not get in but I can assure you that "There would not have been a large battle for you not to get in to with out the caps Goob worked on."

By the way, both councils of the 2 sides agreed to the caps. It was discussed at length.

If a couple offline players don't get in there is a solution. YOU are free to dig and lead a large battle - that will insure you get in.

The caps was the first good thing Inno has done for fort battles in many years. Now you remove it because of a few disgruntled players. OMG, really?

Removing the caps was a bad move!
 
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Jordy

The West Team
Fort Balancing Strategist
Forum moderator
I don't know what you all above are saying but if it means what I think it means, Goober should stay in the position he is in. He has done a great job so far and has done a great job in reaching out to every party involved. He tries that in Colorado mostly, but also other worlds. He is not flawless but he learns as he goes and he does great. He is a volunteer that made quite a difference which I respect a lot. We should value players/staff like Goober and not demonise them.
 

Harsha..

Well-Known Member
It's unfortunate, but the fact is that all of the people complaining in this thread do not actually lead fort battles on Colorado nor do they lead an alliance on that world. Goober did not take the decision to modify the fort caps on his own, he first proposed the idea to the inter alliance council, where he pretty much got unanimous support - players like ben, Cooper, cactus, victor, lyrinx, Roth, dark, myself - all of us who are most closely involved with balancing FFs and are aware of the specific nitty gritty of the situation on Colorado. We know what realistically can be done and what is not feasible. We tried things like moving people around alliances and people/towns simply were unwilling to move for the sake of balance and a solution to work around this was to modify the caps.

Obviously, there would be some growing pains in figuring out a perfect combination - but we hoped to give it some time. People get left out of battles all the time and it was more so back when we had mediums - with these caps we could do larges where more people actually wound up getting in.

It's very easy to criticize when something goes wrong, but much much harder to actually be involved, finding and implementing solutions. It's sad to see that a few disgruntled players complaining on the forum can force a significant change affecting the larger community.
 

Annie-Bell

Well-Known Member
absolutely, dont want anyone getting after anyone but also to recognize the success of colo for 10 years was not as much "inno involvement" where sometimes there is different things being said by fort specialist and by council and gets bit confusing and people do react, we saw that vividly in ff chats, saloons etc I still think good for inno to get pulse of what players thoughts are that dont come to this forum as relatively on small % of players and think inno would get positive attitudes to give feedback and such as alot is repetitive.

Think council making decisions is great for colo and think that has been its success. What i think was comments about fort specialist was from all those test awesomias that people turned away from, and changing fort towers daily, and changing times of battles, and there was no denying people were frustrated.
The cap of 84 players (40 less then regular large) in defense and 106 in attack did spark alot as was very drastic decrease in large fort for recent battles, do recognize that LT side is turning away more then HWGA but just to shout out to whoever that people do like the exp points change in battles and do get nose bent outta shape if 50 players dont make it in so pls keep that in mind! Truth is, if more allowed in battles, LT side will have significantly more players and may address all thier concerns about levels and players not skilled to ff's and likily will see shift in strength of teams. (just my best guess)

Again do invite inno to make themselves accessable so they can see what players saying, and again, think goober role is good to be support to council who can communicate to all.
 

Beefmeister

Well-Known Member
same stupid discussion every day by people biased and/or clueless or choosing to be so

this is how things look now: looney sucks because they suck, simply a dysfunctional alliance where everyone does whatever they want...there are at least 3 towns associated with this alliance that boycott battles. some people show up online 1 battle per year, some people have level 150+ and don't have 30k hp as soliders yet and you talk about balance. you should learn to play first and after be responsible for anything you say on this forum:lol:

goober is used so you can compensate for the fact that looney sucks and cannot get along as an alliance, to compensate for the dysfunctionality, hence adjusting the caps to minimize the advantage that hwga has

do things by the book first and after we can talk about balance. you can't even do the basics right (ranking, tactics, leading, gear, skill set, get along with people and cooperate). considering the personalities in that alliance, that is pretty much impossible.
until you will have a person capable of managing every single aspect of that alliance you can't expect other alliances to fix your problems

use of tweaks to micromanage this server to this degree should be forbidden. that's not done on any other game...it's called abuse.

goober's position shouldn't be removed and i think he is the right person for that position, with some small cracks here and there.
do not listen to people like abydos who still have skill points added to do jobs or people like foscock whose words are 10% useful.

you can close the topic as it's a waste of time
 

Annie-Bell

Well-Known Member
recognize just 1 person but being in so many worlds, and seeing even second oldest worlds die out, i really want colo to be successful. True believer that if people lose interest in colo there isnt much hope for remaining worlds Get worried when see people not signing up when things do go oopsie.

Pls dont shrink battles for either side o such a degree, pls calm down on number of changes (which the fort structure has not been changed as often and think people happy they can adjust) .. no problems with what done to balance off teams as that was what colo known for. by council or whoever inno or fort specialist ... just pls make sure players are important across the board.

Will stop yapping on but do think colo is important as keeps other worlds going too who play several worlds, know some worlds very very low activity where people probably waiting to move to combined or merged worlds similar to colo.

Take care all, and happy Valentines' Day
 

Harsha..

Well-Known Member
I would like to add one other thing - when I was a fresh player, i didn't like the idea of councils making decisions and thought things should be more "democratic" so to speak.

Being involved gives a better understanding - you need a group that is empowered to make hard and painful decisions. Much like in RL, populism - making decisions to please people - simply doesn't work in running a world. The same people who complained in this thread complained in the past against the previous reshuffles and we all know those reshuffles helped keep colorado alive for so long.
 

Abydos1

Well-Known Member
same stupid discussion every day by people biased and/or clueless or choosing to be so

this is how things look now: looney sucks because they suck, simply a dysfunctional alliance where everyone does whatever they want...there are at least 3 towns associated with this alliance that boycott battles. some people show up online 1 battle per year, some people have level 150+ and don't have 30k hp as soliders yet and you talk about balance. you should learn to play first and after be responsible for anything you say on this forum:lol:

goober is used so you can compensate for the fact that looney sucks and cannot get along as an alliance, to compensate for the dysfunctionality, hence adjusting the caps to minimize the advantage that hwga has

do things by the book first and after we can talk about balance. you can't even do the basics right (ranking, tactics, leading, gear, skill set, get along with people and cooperate). considering the personalities in that alliance, that is pretty much impossible.
until you will have a person capable of managing every single aspect of that alliance you can't expect other alliances to fix your problems

use of tweaks to micromanage this server to this degree should be forbidden. that's not done on any other game...it's called abuse.

goober's position shouldn't be removed and i think he is the right person for that position, with some small cracks here and there.
do not listen to people like abydos who still have skill points added to do jobs or people like foscock whose words are 10% useful.

you can close the topic as it's a waste of time
I simply stated whether or not a position was needed or not...I just think a fort czar taking liberties is kinda ridiculous instead of the alliance leaders just getting together and discussing ways to even out both sides without this unnecessary hatred between one side and the other. I am an independent voice and always will be when it comes to the big alliance so you can either listen or discard what I have to say I really don't care...I just don't want to see things like a large fort decreased to a medium fort size with like minutes of notice before the battle resulting in many people getting snubbed. Yes, I do think this should be paused at least till after the event...if goober or whoever want to tinker with the numbers afterwards let them but please give us at least a day's notice on saloon chat, telegram, etc. Now, is this too complicated to understand?
 

martoru

Well-Known Member
aby we all understand that you arive in last minute and miss a battle and now you look for retribution

dose not metter if you say it in 20 words or 100. youre frustration is evident

and please end with this czar nonsense when bouth aliances concils said verry clear that that they ask groober to take decision he made

is this too complicated, for you, to understand???
 

Annie-Bell

Well-Known Member
honestly guys, let it play out, there is representation on council from both sides and think they have all said want ff's not to be shrunk in long term (which they have said since). For the indpendent alliances or players above,, suggest looking at what side typically dont fill and better chance of getting ranked. To the inno staff that do jump around to get variety of input and see groups very much appreciate and hope can go back to inno so have good pulse on game overall to make this game, the worlds, the events, the changes something that good and wanted for all players and keep them logging on!. And recognize that takes while to see what changes mean before next change comes in

Things go up and down, we know that LT will come with numbers and reskill eventually and go on winning streaks. I know alot was to get them back trying, know that was goal of cooper and rest of council and likely wont see the inno involvment we have seen going forward.

it important for colo to be successful for this game. that point many can agree on.
 

Syntex

The West Team
Community Manager
Dear Players,

As of Feb. 12 Fort Battle cap modifications have been suspended temporarily. The suspension will continue at least through the end of the Valentines event. A determination will be made at that time whether they will be reinstated, and if so under what terms and conditions. We are still discussing internally this matter.

We will shortly publish more information regarding these, until then we are grateful for your feedback and patience!
 

asdf124

Well-Known Member
Dear Players,

As of Feb. 12 Fort Battle cap modifications have been suspended temporarily. The suspension will continue at least through the end of the Valentines event. A determination will be made at that time whether they will be reinstated, and if so under what terms and conditions. We are still discussing internally this matter.

We will shortly publish more information regarding these, until then we are grateful for your feedback and patience!
How about giving more space in events more than the allowed cap for events? While recapping it for none events.
 

asdf124

Well-Known Member
I simply stated whether or not a position was needed or not...I just think a fort czar taking liberties is kinda ridiculous instead of the alliance leaders just getting together and discussing ways to even out both sides without this unnecessary hatred between one side and the other. I am an independent voice and always will be when it comes to the big alliance so you can either listen or discard what I have to say I really don't care...I just don't want to see things like a large fort decreased to a medium fort size with like minutes of notice before the battle resulting in many people getting snubbed. Yes, I do think this should be paused at least till after the event...if goober or whoever want to tinker with the numbers afterwards let them but please give us at least a day's notice on saloon chat, telegram, etc. Now, is this too complicated to understand?
On paper your idea works wonderfully if people were with each other on the same page. Reality is, this is whats needed, and you haven't even been to that status to get that.

Yet, you think you know better than most people that were in a higher position. And you made it sound like goober was a dictator, and for your information, what you said was what was happening, ie a few people representing the larger alliances got together. And decided these caps. I believe goober either advises it, or its the council in colorado that discusses it, while goober just executes it.
 

Goober Pyle

The West Team
Fort Balancing Strategist
How about giving more space in events more than the allowed cap for events? While recapping it for none events.
The cap on either side cannot be raised above 145 and the total cap between both sides cannot be raised above 265.

I hope to be able to continue to offer awesomia ranks for those left out of Henry battles.

I also hope to be able to continue to offer Sheriff John “overflow” battles on request
 
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