Feedback Fort Battle Balancing Event

Clever Hans

Well-Known Member
You do realize that Lyrinx is a leader and in some ways a mouth piece of his alliance, so when he reaches out to Goober he is doing so in the service of the players. There are probably many players on both sides that have expressed there concerns since level cap was announced, so Goober is probably getting concerns from many places. So while Lyrinx may have given him an idea of how to maybe test the new waters, does not mean Goober choice was made from one conversation or from one players concern.

If you don't want or need his help, then that is fine, but some of us appreciate his efforts to buy the fort fighting community time.

Wait on inno to fix things in the code, that sounds like 5 years of unplayable fort battles, I think I will pass on waiting for inno to do something right for once.


Once again 100% of topic and please feel free to delete.

That´s all fine but I have a simple question, was there a poll of players on Colorado?
 

JWillow

Well-Known Member
That´s all fine but I have a simple question, was there a poll of players on Colorado?
Yes and no. Yes, when he first started making changes to number and then to fort downgrading.

For the current level increase testing, no poll has been done. But are you saying if a poll is done, you will refrain from here on out? Or will you deny the results?


Forum mod please just delete all of mine, even I think this has gone on too long. 100% off topic
 

Clever Hans

Well-Known Member
Yes and no. Yes, when he first started making changes to number and then to fort downgrading.

For the current level increase testing, no poll has been done. But are you saying if a poll is done, you will refrain from here on out? Or will you deny the results?


Forum mod please just delete all of mine, even I think this has gone on too long. 100% off topic

Yes, either it is clear that some decision has a support of majority of players (and not small group of players that have an easy access to specialist) or it is clearly defined what are Goober´s powers.
 

Goober Pyle

The West Team
Fort Balancing Strategist
Yes, either it is clear that some decision has a support of majority of players (and not small group of players that have an easy access to specialist) or it is clearly defined what are Goober´s powers.
The situation on Colorado, unlike every other world, is the existence of a "Interalliance council" that can be reasonably deemed to be sufficiently representative of the vast majority of fort fighters there so as to be able to speak on their behalf.

Believe you me, there are many ideas I have wanted to try that have been shot down and gone untested.
 

Victor Kruger

Well-Known Member
Whoa there, whats with the public personal attacks ? should be beneath most by now . .. bad form & you know it is. :boone:

Some must have short memories. Colorado has since v early mostly been a FF showcase world. Partly managed/kept a closer eye on for balance by alliance leaders and some key players yes but also the mod team or FF mod when there is one and always in part managed that way on purpose. That care and "meddling" though id say "attention to detail" early on and throughout the years under the care of many has made it the success it is longterm.. what Goob has tried much of isnt new, dropped tower lvls, walls, even messing about with the distance formulas and battle rewards etc..its all been done before as updates come and go. Some adjustments worked better than others true but you gotta break a few eggs on the way to the cake..

Does anyone remember when tanks first arrived en masse in 2012 / 14 then other unbalancing updates as skills changed and the algos ? events were made mostly on Colo in order to encourage attendance, activily gather data and make adjustments to forts and tweak formulas accordingly where possible because FF had become broken by then. Not everyone liked the adjustments then either.. you cant keep everyone happy and usually its the top dogs at the time often react when the comfy tree is shaken a bit..

Not gonna comment on other worlds but Colorado for the past 6 mths has been playable and FF actually a lot more enjoyable and balanced for the vast majority or I wouldnt waste my time bothering.Just ask around both vets or newbs not just the small clique used to dominating there... levelling the playing field is often done at the expense of the more capable/well off & Goobs tweaks are not like some update where nothing can be changed or reversed if things need adjusting again.

Dosnt really matter if towers are 5 3 or 1, have Union or El Gringo does it ? ... the point is to make FF balanced yet exciting & almost go the distance to encourage activity, thats what a fort strategist job is. Not to be simply popular with the few who already excel . Does anyone remember from 2010 / 12 Colo had to make events in order to encourage attendance and gather data, make adjustments to forts and tweak formulas then ? probably not many left here tbh. Its never been easy dealing with FF health or balance with innos haphazard decisions imo & today thats obviously not changed.

No one cares who owns forts anymore or even HQ built or flag pole raised on most new worlds.. Forts used to mean something to towns and communities now they just mean ranking or something to collect. ... Also and this is gonna hurt some but hey ho....

Those particularly FF focused and dare i say used to dominating might not be amused or happy. Understandingly some are used to the status quo & stats and performance affected... I get it.

Pretty sure the vast majority of players on Colorado find FF there far better now, that it took lvl 3 towers a lot of meddling yet still and only about 30% of attacks win.. id say no matter the critique its definitely helped both balance and fun in battles ...

Take a poll in world if you want to see. :) were battles better 6 mths ago than now and are you satisfied in FF and attack balance more now than before ? i'll wager the vast majority who do FF are happier.

As for breaking up towns or groups on Colo so what ? far too many play exactly the same game with the same people on every world anyway, ... you can see factions quite clearly forming and with it dramas they bring from other worlds. I like hanging with people I know too but i also love to meet new as well and overall i think better to force people to move a round a bit on Colo from time to time & not play the tribal games that ultimately kill worlds off. I agree the place needs a shake up and people will probably need to move about as many of us have before.. no big deal for me.

Old worlds tho are not the same as Colo or new and should i think be treated carefully and incrementally when tweaking. However we should also note FF on all worlds re numbers had dropped off a cliff so doing something.. ANYTHING on some worlds was better than nothing... hasnt worked as well i agree but.. you live n learn.

Im NOT saying everything's perfect but from having sat in the original chair Goobers in now... it really isnt bad at all compared to where FF had got to or perhaps people forget the last few years of wasted attacks and bored players resulting in many leaving ?

As I have to remind myself often, we long timers DONT know it all and what worked 10 years dosnt anymore or needs the same approach today.
 

C0OPeR

Well-Known Member
Goober, forgive me for saying this, but you buggered up Colorado enough, Go find a new job, and let someone that can actually FF do your job. You took towers down to the point where we are bailing in again, every battle. You have ABOLUTELY NO CLUE how to ff, why are you in your position? You can't follow a lead, and you can't lead. Who decided you knew what is best for battles? You stuffed Colorado enough, go back to being just another noooooob.

I'm serious, I and many other have had enough of your meddling. Your sample size for every tweak is one battle, and you never take into account the randomness that is built into fort battles, You have never been to enough battles to even understand that, you are afk every time.

You want to break up one of the best towns on Colorado purely for your desire to keep that job with free nugs. You demand a reshuffle when none is needed, you are just looking for a way to justify a position where none is needed. Please, for the sake of the game, retire.
about towers down , we talked this via both alliance council board and was a good idea to give attack side win a battle and fort owners ( who accept the idea ) asked to down towers via ingame ticket , goob did not down towers with self decide ....
 

Deadeye Jerry

Well-Known Member
I am not sure how from an update feedback topic we moved to battle in Colorado but all towers that were downgraded were requested by the town's leaders who own the forts and Goober is just a guy who is doing that but if it's not for him someone else from the team would have to do exactly the same because there isn't an in-game option to do that.

This I am saying now from a player perspective if any of you want to actually be part of the next Colorado reshuffle which will happen after 2 weeks please contact me, Goob or Lyrinx so we can include you :) and it will happen in 2 weeks just to gather enough information about what each player can do since the new update.
 

Annie-Bell

Well-Known Member
This I am saying now from a player perspective if any of you want to actually be part of the next Colorado reshuffle which will happen after 2 weeks please contact me, Goob or Lyrinx so we can include you :) and it will happen in 2 weeks just to gather enough information about what each player can do since the new upda

and there lies the problem of perception of fairness to all players
 

Victor Kruger

Well-Known Member
I am not sure how from an update feedback topic we moved to battle in Colorado but all towers that were downgraded were requested by the town's leaders who own the forts and Goober is just a guy who is doing that but if it's not for him someone else from the team would have to do exactly the same because there isn't an in-game option to do that.

This I am saying now from a player perspective if any of you want to actually be part of the next Colorado reshuffle which will happen after 2 weeks please contact me, Goob or Lyrinx so we can include you :) and it will happen in 2 weeks just to gather enough information about what each player can do since the new update.

Player base real good at going off topic jerry before you know it ...

and there lies the problem of perception of fairness to all players

No theres no problem, life isnt fair either and everyone must still deal with it... . Colorado isnt about perception of fairness other than balance in FF & Thats why its still the prime FF world and not a mess of drama and dead like some others ... you dont have to like it but try to understand, Colorado is not about set teams or usual domination games like other worlds but the best balanced FF possible... relationships be it town, players or even alliances always came second on Colorado to a point and still should.. Just move to a town you want to hang with groupwise no biggie at all.

This is what being responsible means, to do what is required even be it unpopular with a few or even a lot... when changes need to happen on Colorado re FF individuals wishes become irrelevant, thats why we have leaders to see the bigger picture and even make the hard decisions others wont or wouldn't.
 

foscock

Banned
Omg are you all on goober koolaid? Does any fort fighter here actually want to go back to defending by bailing inside? Sit and huddle like little worms for 40 rounds, and hope to survive last round flag rush? Why is that fun for anyone? Beef won't walk to flag, and 9 out of 10 Goober won't either.

The "bigger picture" is that many of us, that just want competition instead of oversight, don't want to go back to the ****ty days where we cower inside for 40 rounds. Sorry for you Beef, you may have to actually move occasionally. At one point we had a decent balance where defenders could stay in towers, and attackers had a chance, but that went away after ONE BATTLE where Goober's "data" said,

Vic, you've been around long enough to understand, an attack should only win if it's been led well, and has decent attendance. In Goober world, we get to cross fingers and hope 1 person survives every defense. Don't take my word for it, go look at the last 2-3 weeks.

My biggest complaint is Goober pressuring towns and alliances to break up. Towns are full of friends that play together for years in many cases, and are the reason why people even log on to a game that has ben abandoned by the devs. And his latest idea, make forts unwinnable, that was last straw for me. Sorry but that's the height of Inno taking over, and players don't matter.

To be clear, no mod, or pseudo mod, from inno, should make server wide decisions about ff's without a discussion, and by discussion, not just discuss amongst your friends.

Why is that a problem for anyone?
 

foscock

Banned
I am not sure how from an update feedback topic we moved to battle in Colorado but all towers that were downgraded were requested by the town's leaders who own the forts and Goober is just a guy who is doing that but if it's not for him someone else from the team would have to do exactly the same because there isn't an in-game option to do that.

This I am saying now from a player perspective if any of you want to actually be part of the next Colorado reshuffle which will happen after 2 weeks please contact me, Goob or Lyrinx so we can include you :) and it will happen in 2 weeks just to gather enough information about what each player can do since the new update.
Count me out, i will stay will my alliance, and if you clowns decide you will use mod powers to screw the up, i'll delete. Where in the rules does it says goober or you have any right to rebalance alliances?
 

Lyrinx.

Well-Known Member
Count me out, i will stay will my alliance, and if you clowns decide you will use mod powers to screw the up, i'll delete. Where in the rules does it says goober or you have any right to rebalance alliances?
Since both of them are part in the InterAlliance council team too, they have many rights. So, wish you the best mate then, because in colorado we will make a reshuffle.
 

foscock

Banned
Since both of them are part in the InterAlliance council team too, they have many rights. So, wish you the best mate then, because in colorado we will make a reshuffle.
Oh that's good one. this inter alliance council, where you, goober, cooper, and who? decide how a server will progress, with no communication to anyone else. Sorry i'm out, i do not want to play some inno mod controlled game by people that can't even skill to ff, or be online to swap, or even have a clue about tactics. vac mode for me, have fun. Have your reshuffle.

In the old days when inno wasn't just a cash grab company, mods could not make decisions on the worlds they play, just for general fairness. why did that change?
 

Beefmeister

Well-Known Member
Omg are you all on goober koolaid? Does any fort fighter here actually want to go back to defending by bailing inside? Sit and huddle like little worms for 40 rounds, and hope to survive last round flag rush? Why is that fun for anyone? Beef won't walk to flag, and 9 out of 10 Goober won't either.
well, i keep most of my battles on my 2nd monitor while i'm doing completely something else. the times i talk on chat are the only times i'm actually focused on the battle. i can see with the corner of my eye when i'm supposed to move so it just works

i have something to say tho

why would i move to flag every time people are ordered to? check my battles and you'll see that when it was necessary, i moved to flag, and most of the decent duelers do the same thing. most of the battles i stay on tower to maximize my hit rate...

i have some principles to not respect orders if they're absolutely dumb, and some battles i've been called out for that with clowns crying that you should always respect orders...i don't get the appeal of that. if i know better than them i'll just do what i want. if the order makes sense, i respect it.

anyway, this was kinda funny...shows exactly how much you know about fort fights...after thousands of battles :lol:
 

Darkuletzz

Well-Known Member
Oh that's good one. this inter alliance council, where you, goober, cooper, and who? decide how a server will progress, with no communication to anyone else. Sorry i'm out, i do not want to play some inno mod controlled game by people that can't even skill to ff, or be online to swap, or even have a clue about tactics. vac mode for me, have fun. Have your reshuffle.

In the old days when inno wasn't just a cash grab company, mods could not make decisions on the worlds they play, just for general fairness. why did that change?
You were out for from like august 2021 to july-august 2022, someone missed you? No. If you quit for sure no one will miss you like any of us from colorado that will quit latter. The world it's bigger than your self-pride or any other player self pride.
 

foscock

Banned
so basically you do what you want and expect everyone to tank and worship you. you do realise a lot of battles are decided by one hit on the flag? or even today i said swap me in a tower to get your damage up, but no, afk as usual.

why would you move to flag? because EVERYONE ELSE BESIDES YOU DOES IT, in a situation where damage won't win it. Guys like you are the reason people leave the game, nothing to do with updates or inno.
 

Beefmeister

Well-Known Member
yes, i'm the sole reason people leave this game...

but no i don't see tanks as people that worship me, i don't need any worshipping...that's stupid to say because for example in looney tunes all tanks hide behind me, except slepnor, twd and a few more i can count on one hand.
tanks should just play their roles as i play mine. if they are capable of that good...if not...well

and yes, i didn't see any message cuz i was doing something more important :lol:
 
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