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Am I wrong?
My reply is - yes, you are wrong.
Then you would be the one who is wrong. Almost every act of griefing in every game ever used an element of gameplay. Arguing that "Gameplay in The West IS dueling" has no bearing at all. Alex didnt say every duel is greifing as you try to make it seem but it certainly promotes it and arguing that it doesnt is patently ridiculous. The fact that a player is expected to suicide and drop to 0 health and energy in order to not even be potentially harassed shows just how ridiculous it is.
you are still treating it as if someone said every duel would be considered griefing and no one has said that.
I would appreciate it if you stopped arguing against a point no one has made.
This isnt a pvp game either. It is a game with pvp elements. Pvp is actually mostly voluntary. In fact, there is only one element of this game that lets you effect a player negatively without their permission.
Having an element of the game that allows one player to negatively effect another player will almost always be opened up to abuse which was the point of the post since you seemed to have missed it.
I would appreciate if you pointed out where in that point that was made someone excluded certain duels.
Do you know one way you can find someone arguing dishonestly? Look for them trying to shift the burden of proof. I will play your game however.
"Duels promote greifing"
Does that say all duels are greifing? NO! It uses the word promote.
Promote - further the progress of (something, especially a cause, venture, or aim); support or actively encourage
Does that definition say every instance of an activity is directly involved? Again NO! Drugs promote violence, is every instance of drug use violent? NO! Driving too fast promotes accidents. Does every person speeding cause an accident? NO!
For the last time, it does not mean all. It doesnt have to "exclude" some duels because it never included all duels. Just because a duel could be involved does not mean it is involved. Is that more clear? I dont know how to explain it more clearly.
Ask yourself this, why have duel protection at all? Maybe because the people who designed the game knew it was open to being abused? The 1 hour wait times between duels? Same reason. Duel level restrictions? Ditto.
The developers acknowledge it. They specifically put it in to curb (notice I didnt say stop, dont want you to argue that I did because you dont know the definition) the same behavior you are arguing magically doesnt exist because it is "part of the game". Who do you think you are to argue against it? You are arguing against something that even the makers of the game work to stop.
I don't believe that duels are generally griefing, but they can be in very specific cases.
Let's look at it another way, are fort fights greifing?
It allows a player to negatively effect another player without their explicit permission. That sort of system promotes abuse.
Nonsense question. They are not used as synonyms. You are either confused or are desperately trying to nitpick your way out of this with another straw man. Either way I will not explain again after this.
Having a system that allows players to negatively effect another player without their explicit permission promotes griefing. Period.
Having a system that allows players to negatively effect another player without their explicit permission promotes griefing. Period.
That would be true if there were no means of avoiding it.
You are able to play this game 100% free of dueling, if you so choose. Period.
Wrong. The only options that allow it also have a negative penalty. You either have to suicide for KO protection, lose health and possibly energy in the process, or not join a town losing access to forums, safer markets, chats, shops, etc.