Town Dueling Points

[Deleted User - 1278415]

Well last time we had a lot of postive feedback on it too, which was cause for sending it to vote. Yet surprisingly it failed.

So my job is to challenge you and say improve it or why bother re-voting on it. Point being you had the same opportunities to spam your towns and get them to come out here and vote. It sat out there for 2 weeks last time and failed.

My suggestion would be: Just have a KO stat that is posted publiclly of how many kos were dealt out by a person. in the duel section.
No town points just a count of ko's

 

[DeletedUser22575]

Well last time we had a lot of postive feedback on it too, which was cause for sending it to vote. Yet surprisingly it failed.

So my job is to challenge you and say improve it or why bother re-voting on it. Point being you had the same opportunities to spam your towns and get them to come out here and vote. It sat out there for 2 weeks last time and failed.

My suggestion would be: Just have a KO stat that is posted publiclly of how many kos were dealt out by a person. in the duel section.
No town points just a count of ko's

I disagree. Towns are entitled to have points for KO's just like for forts.

However it could be left up to the devs to decide what those points should be.

 

[DeletedUser]

A spin on the idea might be to not add points for surplus K.O's but subtract points for having more memebers K.O.d then opponents? I am sure nobody will like this idea but I kinda do .
This might be a good way to help balance the superior point earning power of forts, after all, to make the game more balanced a town should have Fort Fighters and Duelers. If you own forts and you seem to be losing in town ranking, Get Duelers If you are a dueling town and your progress through the ranking is slow and painful Get Fort Fighters

An abuse prevention could be that the minimum allowed points is the amount of points the town has for construction and town members alone (>49800 + Member points). That way the stats show 1 thing, Forts Vs. Duels or a combination of both. This will also make Fort Fighting towns think twice about self K.O.ing each other.

Other than that, I have no real idea on how to change it. So count this as spam if you'd like.

 

[DeletedUser]

i sayyes

 

[Deleted User - 1278415]

i sayyes

Can you be a bit more descriptive.. yes you...

like it as is?

like somones post that posted recently?

think it needs to be changed somehow.

you just like saying yes to things.

i held back on giving you a notice (since your fairly new here) is the reason I asked.

 

[DeletedUser2474]

I know we have a chance to keep going around in circles with this idea as it stands. The request is to have the additional KO's dealt by a town over the KO's taken by the town, added to the town dueling points for the town rankings.

We are not after some new protection for non duelers, or a way for duelers to become nastier. It is an existing feature of the game that somehow is not included in the scoring. We would like that corrected. From some of the actual constructive comments on this there are possibly two or more other ideas that could be posted separately for everyone to discuss but they are not going to change this one.

So going on how much activity, including replies and views this has had in the past few days. I can't see anything changing the basic request. So i would like to call for the vote to be made on the topic so that we can find out if it is possible or impossible and allow us to move on with trying to help improve other people's gameplay.

 

[DeletedUser]

Well last time we had a lot of postive feedback on it too, which was cause for sending it to vote. Yet surprisingly it failed.

So my job is to challenge you and say improve it or why bother re-voting on it. Point being you had the same opportunities to spam your towns and get them to come out here and vote. It sat out there for 2 weeks last time and failed.

My suggestion would be: Just have a KO stat that is posted publiclly of how many kos were dealt out by a person. in the duel section.
No town points just a count of ko's

Give us one more chance to vote sir, that's all we ask.

I vote yes for re-voting! Vote! Vote! Vote!

 

[DeletedUser]

NO! It's just another way for dueling towns to hit #1 without any problem. Mrs The Bloody Path would have so many points we couldn't touch them. We would be fighting for #2 with MG on W12

 

[DeletedUser22493]

Nay. I don't think encouraging towns to mass K.O'ing people will help me in any way.

Then again, im not a dueler.

 

[DeletedUser]

First post after much time...
No and terrible.

If you want to really award players that do duels for real (which would mean class duelers with their bonus), then do something like this:
1. won with 80+ motivation = +5 points to town
2. won with 50-80 mot = +3 points to town
3. won with 1-50 mot = +1 point to town
4. won with 0 mot = -8796848768548 duel points to town

who cares if there is KO or not? for KO rewards, check sheriff's office bounties, those are more than enough.

 

[DeletedUser22575]

First post after much time...
No and terrible.

If you want to really award players that do duels for real (which would mean class duelers with their bonus), then do something like this:
1. won with 80+ motivation = +5 points to town
2. won with 50-80 mot = +3 points to town
3. won with 1-50 mot = +1 point to town
4. won with 0 mot = -8796848768548 duel points to town

who cares if there is KO or not? for KO rewards, check sheriff's office bounties, those are more than enough.

In other words you want to penalize a legitimate dueling class (the 0 mot dueler) just because you don't personally like it.

 

[DeletedUser2474]

Just so that you all know. I asked for the vote already. There is no point trying to gimp the idea with scales to lower this score. There isn't a way to gimp the score a town gets when it steals a fort even if they have no members show up to the attack so why try to limit something that already exists in the game.

And i can understand Joxer hating it. He has self KO'd and now has allies KO him so often that their town will never be able to recover from it. It's not the fault of the towns who duel that they have positive dueling stats. And it is not a way to auto win for dueling towns when you can consider fort fighting towns have the same chance as anyone else to use this score bonus.

 

[DeletedUser41]

I will be voting yes on this one.

 

[DeletedUser25632]

Well, if you're unable to make proper changes to this idea instead of a same idea, I'm going to have to close this thread and let Trojon(Who made the original idea) take over and combine a Duel Points + KO Points idea.

We were under the impression that you were going to make changes to the idea and not just basically copy & Paste and recruit all your buddies to come vote yes because even if it was to reach the 80% required that doesn't mean it's going to get implemented into the game, the developers can still reject the idea.

 

[DeletedUser2474]

I explained exactly what i was doing when i requested permission for this suggestion. It is not a new idea and it is also a fairly simple one. Claiming that my plan was to simply ask everyone to come vote for the idea because we could rush it through is simply demeaning to you, me and everyone else here who has had a say.

From the number of posts from people i didn't have anything to do with i get the feeling that there is a lot of interest in this. Yes or No the result always ends up with the Devs making the final call so that is not my priority either. What i wanted was a chance for people who have now suffered through all the changes to dueling without the continual complaints which always seem to come from the non-dueling community to get some parity in the game. A vote of 40 odd people that fails by 5% on getting the required votes 5-6months ago surely deserves a chance to be re-looked at now that we have had at least one major upgrade to the game.

If it takes closing this and re-opening Trojan's suggestion to be voted on again or letting Trojan suggest some other way to include this score in the game then so be it. But at least let us find out if there has been a big enough change in people's opinions since last time, including the fact that there is a wider coverage of interest to make the vote a better affair with a decent number of people having their say.

 

[DeletedUser22575]

Well, if you're unable to make proper changes to this idea instead of a same idea, I'm going to have to close this thread and let Trojon(Who made the original idea) take over and combine a Duel Points + KO Points idea.

We were under the impression that you were going to make changes to the idea and not just basically copy & Paste and recruit all your buddies to come vote yes because even if it was to reach the 80% required that doesn't mean it's going to get implemented into the game, the developers can still reject the idea.

Ok whats the deal here? ....

Indeed it was already suggested but I have given him permission to post this again as it's been a few months and I'm pretty sure this idea would pass.

@Byron lol @ this many replies and I let you post it 13 hours ago...

1. Ir was clear that this was already suggested.

2. It did not seem to be a problem when you posted this.

3. Why is it suddenly a problem now? Byron has been calling for a poll to be opened on this for several days now and apparently that has been ignored, and now all of a sudden its a problem that it is the same idea ???????????

4. I supported this idea the first time because I thought it was a good idea that helped balance out the fort point system that gives 1000's of points for a fort while dueling points are an inadequately reflected comparatively based on the work and amount of time it takes to accumalate them. I think it is even better idea with the addition of spot dueling and all the work and time it takes chasing someone to duel.

 

[DeletedUser25632]

Ok whats the deal here? ....




1. Ir was clear that this was already suggested.

Yeah. really? Wow, never knew that.

2. It did not seem to be a problem when you posted this.

Just because I posted that doesn't mean we weren't expecting some kind of change.

3. Why is it suddenly a problem now? Byron has been calling for a poll to be opened on this for several days now and apparently that has been ignored, and now all of a sudden its a problem that it is the same idea ???????????

All of a sudden it's a problem? GF & I both posted in this thread a few pages back about changes. If he keeps it the way it is, it's probably gonna fail by another 5% and then it goes on the Do Not Suggest List and you will not see this idea again.

4. I supported this idea the first time because I thought it was a good idea that helped balance out the fort point system that gives 1000's of points for a fort while dueling points are an inadequately reflected comparatively based on the work and amount of time it takes to accumalate them. I think it is even better idea with the addition of spot dueling and all the work and time it takes chasing someone to duel.

And it failed the first time and has a good chance of failing again.

 

[DeletedUser2474]

I have seen maybe 4 or 5 people who are against this idea. This includes at least one of the other mods who we all know is not a dueler on this game. He opposes any change to dueling with a passion. Well this isn't a change to dueling. It's not even a big section of code to implement which is why i am surprised the Dev's haven't even implemented it on their own. But what it is a chance of being is a way to even up the scores. Dueling towns by their very description duel. They work hard and generally win more than they lose. But every loss is 5 points off their score. A fort fighting town is by it's name a town that specialises in fort fighting. They can usually come along and grab up all the forts they want to boost their scores. A completed large fort is over 19K points. To get to that with dueling it is a positive count of 3800 duels. That is a big difference when you consider a duel takes a minimum of 10mins and a large fort battle can take up to about an hour. There is no parity in this yet the simple addition of 5points per positive integer KO count would offset some of this for the towns that already play this way. It wont hurt a fort fighting town because even if they have massive negative numbers for duels and KO's they will not ever lose points for this stat.

Now i could suggest that KO's be added as 5 points the way i have already currently got it but that negative duels and KO's reduced your score to a minimum of your town, average level and member points and every one of the fort fighting towns would yell about it not being fair. It is but that's not going to happen even if we get 99% result. The Dev's would never introduce it. They may add the KO points on their own.

 

[DeletedUser2474]

OK i can now understand why this never got through the first time around. The amount of interest was high so the people in charge of seeing it to the vote decided to ignore it. You may as well delete this entire thread since it seems the only things that will ever see a vote are the topics that interest the mods. Thanks for nothing. I made the effort to contact those in charge to get permission for this and was granted it. Now it's ignored. Why did i even bother??