Closed: Inter-Alliance Ranking System

• Three different levels of towns within an alliance akin to the Founder Counsellor and Citizen town member statuses
• A customizeable set of privileges, under the control of the higher ranked (3 rank system) towns in the alliance. See grepolis, tribal wars for examples.
• A proposed limit to how many towns holding each rank an alliance can have (Discussion point)
• A menu to be designed to facilitate the managing of privileges

• Ability to send alliance mail*
• Ability to read secret alliance forums*
• Ability to invite new members to the alliance*
• Ability to designate titles*
• Ability to choose change rankings*
• Ability to change diplomacy

magoichi said:

Can someone help me out and suggest some different alliance privileges that they would like to see? I know a couple of these have already been mentioned, or that the thought is out there, but I kinda want to see what people think about them in a condensed form (Please try to list in point for the privileges you like, and why you like them. Or the ones you don't like and your reasoning for that).

Here's a few that have been on my mind, the starred ones I know for sure to be Tribal Wars and/or Grepolis based and therefore logically an easy transfer for Innogames.

• Ability to send alliance mail*
• Ability to read secret alliance forums*
• Ability to invite new members to the alliance*
• Ability to designate titles*
• Ability to choose change rankings*
• Ability to change diplomacy

Okay, so there's a number of suggestions. Please, try to keep suggestions as summarized as possible unless they are inherently complex and require explanation.

Thank you

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magoichi said:

This post has already been made, yes, but it was made by me. I am trying to put this out for INTER-ALLIANCE RANKING ONLY discussion. I value the system of ranking alliances against each other, however it is impeding the development of both options to have them in one post where discussion can not be continuous on one or the other.

So here it is, the summary of Inter-Alliance Rankings as a suggestion for consideration.

Proposal
Inter-Alliance Rankings

Current Workaround
None known to me

Details
Inter-Alliance rankings would be used to control the abilities and privileges of members WITHIN an alliance, to better facilitate the organization of an alliance.

Point Form
-->Three different levels of towns within an alliance akin to the Founder Counsellor and Citizen town member statuses
-->These Ranks would be (subject to changes in name and number of slots available by the developers to suit their fancy):
-->Founder (at most 2 towns in an alliance allowed to hold the founder status)
-->Capitol (from 7-12 towns able to hold this status)
-->No Title / Initiates (no limit on the number of initiate towns in an alliance)

-->A customizeable set of privileges, under the control of the higher ranked (3 rank system) towns in the alliance.
-->Proposed Privileges would be:
-->The ability to change the privileges of lower ranked towns (ranked by assigned status)
-->Ability to send alliance invitations
-->Ability to dismiss members of the alliance (of lower rank)
-->Ability to change alliance diplomacy
-->Ability to change the alliance's display message (much like a town's banner, but for an in-game alliance window like you would have for inventory, town, rankings, town forum etc.)
-->Ability to send alliance-wide mail

-->A limit (already stated) to the number of towns in an alliance that can hold a certain status.

-->A tab, much like the inventory, town, town forum etc. to be created in order to facilitate the management of an alliance.
--> under this tab there would be:
--> Overview (like a town banner, the outward appearance to anyone looking at the alliance, with a text area, able to be edited by alliance members with the proper permissions.
--> Members (a list, either public, or alliance-only) that displays the names, ranks, number of members, construction points etc. of each town in the alliance.
-->Diplomacy (optional): a tab wherein the diplomacy of an alliance is visible to the members of the alliance, where the state of diplomatic relations (Enemy, Ally, or NAP) can be displayed. Tribal Wars and Grepolis both have this option so Innogames developers shouldn't have a problem transferring the concept.
--> Settings: a tab wherein the outward appearance text, alliance logo, etc can be changed by members with the proper permissions
-->[this concept should not be foreign to Innogames. Two of their other game possess this system, and they work quite well on it]

Okay, that should outline that well enough, more ideas are sure to develop when people focus on just one ranking system at a time.

Abuse Prevention
Aside from better organization, there is no benefit to players, so there really is nothing to gain from trying to 'abuse' a ranking system within an allian

Visual Aides
There is a very basic visual attachment in the first thread.

Administration
Does this post follow the rules and guidelines of this forum? I'm not insulting anyone, I'm proposing my own idea, and it is in the proper format so..... yes

Has this already been posted? yes, however it was posted by ME and this is being done to better organize discussion because when my idea was combined with another thread, the ideas did not merge as they were not related except in the sense that they both involved a change to alliances.

Alright, thanks,

Josh aka Magoichi

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TJ Tuttle said:

Actually what you are doing here is setting the standard that all towns within an alliance are not equal and are not equally valued as members of the alliance.

I see no reason why any town would join an alliance where they have less privileges than any other town in the alliance.

This right here.....Inter-Alliance rankings would be used to control the abilities and privileges of members WITHIN an alliance, to better facilitate the organization of an alliance...

presents the opportunity for "top" towns to abuse those that are smaller or able to "contribute less" and it will happen.

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sambee said:

This concept of privileges is the same in EVERY town. Some town members have more privileges than others. To give privileges in an alliance is exactly the same as in a town except it's on a bigger scale.
So privileges are part of the game AND part of life.

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sambee said:

If a town is in an alliance, they are respected by everyone in that alliance even if they are a small town.
Therefore someone in that small town may get picked for a job in the alliance.
It's not about big towns running the alliance, it's about responsible, competent, trustworthy individuals running the alliance no matter what size town they are from.

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magoichi said:

You DO realize that both of the other major Innogames titles, Tribal Wars and Grepolis utilize this system and have no problem with it right?

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magoichi said:

You DO realize that both of the other major Innogames titles, Tribal Wars and Grepolis utilize this system and have no problem with it right?

The towns hold the same system on a smaller scale, as Sambee said. If you're afraid of having to deal with an unfair alliance then you have the choice to leave and create your own, fair version. I have played both Tribal Wars and Grepolis and if you are an active, competent player, people don't tend to care what level you are or how many people there are in your town. An asset is an asset regardless of how you want to view it and most people understand this. Those who don't will inevitably fall behind.

Also, these privileges do not RESTRICT lower ranked towns. It just ensures a couple of things.

1. that a founder won't be unnecessarily booted (I've had people in towns invite in other players from hostile towns. Those players have then attacked builders in order to spark conflicts, and I've been booted by people who were my friends and it turned out I couldn't trust them. This provided as a screening process to be available).

2. that some level of organization can be maintained within the alliances. You CAN'T have a well-lead alliance without a leader, and a hierarchy of players. This is just how the world works and if you look at the forums TJ, most people are looking for a view into a more "authentic feeling" game. In life, there are hierarchies both social and political wherever you go. They are inescapable. The point of this system is not to hold back smaller towns, as they are free to band together at any time if they feel abused, and create their own alliance.

This adds a diplomatic edge to the gameplay and I believe that it will intensify and deepen the level of immersion into the game.

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Also, the privileges are not some sort of all-restraining system. Look at the proposed ones, they do not differ much from what players are already able to be restricted from in town rankings. Sending invitations, reading certain forum posts, none of this is NEW per say, simply an adaptation of a smaller system into a larger one in order to benefit the organizers of alliances.

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